pretty sure this says a lot about a few things in DC....
http://www.comicmix.com/media/2008/09/15/barry-allen-black-racer.jpg
1) speed is funky in DC as bullets fired have variable speeds as Flash is struggling to chase the bullet down.
2) Flash can run in space as he is running from the black racer and is dickishly fast.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
But the fact is he did the feat, and its canon.And Flash has been shown to travel multiple times the speed of Light before right? (Not including Silver Age, where I know him and Supes raced across the Galaxy)
If he has then thats the end of the debate.
The fact is, he did the feat by running at below C, the writer flat out tells us his speed.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterEnglish isn’t my first language, so I write some words incorrectly because I am not as accustomed to it as a native speaker. In other occasions I make typing mistakes out of carelessness. The idiocy in your line of argumentation, on the other hand, is inexcusable. And, of course, resorting to criticizing someone’s spelling as an attempt to discredit their arguments – such a common tactic in the internet - is the mark of a true idiot.
"Clealry" 753 is so smart. He proceeds to call me a dumbass while having the reading comprehension, counting ability, and spelling of a toddler.Simply amazing.
Cherry picking? Not at all. I made that a long time ago as a tongue in cheek post. Fanboy? Hardly. It's fanboys and antifanboys like you, who go into every thread throwing a ***** fest whenever something doesn't go your way? Please. Every Flash thread it's the same thing. And if you had the comprehension over a toddler you would know that I said that labeling it a PIS feat isn't a problem to me. It's just slow posters like you who can't argue or debate who try to regurgitate the same thing over and over again to sound right in order to have a point.
What logic do you have noob? Trying to pick one thing and choose another because you are too slow to comprehend it? I haven't sunk anywhere on this forum, I was posting way before you and smoking way more competent posters than you and you have no point, just a ***** fest and it isn't going to work on me. Those far better than you have fallen all the same.
My original post carried no insults. You started the flaming and now complain that I am insulting you instead of presenting arguments, even though you still haven’t refuted what I presented.
You were the first person to try to throw something my way and now you want to cry when I throw it back at you? Nice try.My "ad homine" logical "falacies' when you just made a long post insulting me and not proving much of anything. You're a sorry poster and you are getting owned like you
The logic of using real science to draw conclusions from a comic book in contradiction of the writer’s stated intentions. Oh yeah, that’s just genius.
It obviously is, as it is for most people on the forum as that was where the complaint came from. "Logic doesn't come into debates.""Comics aren't supposed to have any consistency"
Wah wah wah.
Maybe I do, maybe I don’t, but it bears no relevance to the discussion here. Let’s keep this focused on criticizing each other’s intelligences.
For someone who has such "intellect" you spelled it wrong. Geeky and free time? (Two separate words, not one genius.) Hardly, you have nothing on me and I have my own company to run.
It is basic math IMO and a shame people throw it out because they don't want to understand it.
Irony.
Yes I'm sure that with your great "intelect" can teach me how. I disagree with you, it doesn't show a lack of comprehension, unlike you kid.
Then to deny others of it makes you a hypocrite. Which I brought up because people were saying that the other side was picking and choosing, it is either one way or not at all.
Yeah they do.
Uhh... no they don't. We had this before and most agreed, and some disagreed in other threads, and then it split. It depends on who is posting on the thread.
Right… since you couldn’t understand on you own, I’1l help you out: I said your line of argumentation in this instance is similar to the one that made him famous, not that you came after him.
Oh and I've been posting here waaaay before h1a8.
Now you resort to insults because you have nothing but a weak crappy argument in the first place. You've done nothing but whine and spell like a three year old and you call me a "dumbass"? My "descroption" works just fine. Genius.
What a joke. You were the one who resorted to insults in the first place. I have presented arguments questioning why speed should be rejected while the other variables accepted and you have come up with squat.
But the flash one shows the writer’s intentions to have him running at lightspeed while the other is a simple math or typing mistake. It demonstrates no intentions by the author. Furthermore, even taken at face value, the SM situation differs from the Flash one, because it was SM, who is fallible, making the mistake, not the narration stating something which is impossible by real physics had occurred. The fact that these differences must spelled out for you is amazing.
I love how hypocritical you are, just like your weak argument you brought up in the first place. [quote] Once again: Oh, the irony.
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The writer made a miscalculation. Just like he did in the other example.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master The author wanted him to save a city in a short amount of time. I made a calculation not an extrapolation. The difference:extrapolation
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One is using known facts and presenting them, like in the Superman example. The other is making something up from something else. For someone who says they are so smart, you are really making yourself look bad.
Amazing….
The first meaning given for ‘extrapolation’ is to infer an unknow from something known, like you have. It's even the same meaning as the third one given for ‘calculation’. So your attempt to show inaccuracy in my use of the term to describe your actions is yet another comical fail.
BTW, we’ve been through this already, but you chose which “known values” to accept as true while ignoring speed. This is why I said that you were cherry-picking in the first place.
No, they are not. Physical laws and mechanics are different in comics and even when they are based in scientific concepts, and the often aren’t, they do not behave like they would in the real world. Even something as basic as inertia doesn’t work as it should in comics and real science isn’t a legitimate source of authority for these debates. It has nothing to do with us not being able to compete with your math since we routinely go into the details of the scientific theories being evoked by your camp to prove points about comics in order to demonstrate their inherent uselessness for comic debates.
Please. That is such a cop out. Both worlds are impossible. Comics are based off of the real world, except for powers that state otherwise. Those who get mad are those who can't compete. Like yourself.
Where did you answer this exactly? I’m dying to know.Already answered.
The nuke was already on the ground, he couldn't have recused them in that amount of time.
But you assume the figure was correct. How do you know how long it took the energy wave to engulf the island? You chose to believe that variable and reject speed.
You really haven’t
Already answered.
But you can pick and choose what narration you simply want. If it were a simpler example you would have had no problem taking it. The reason that you want to call it an "extrapolation" instead of a "calculation" is because you don't understand where the numbers came from. So it seems like it "came from nowhere". But when your brain has nothing in it, I guess everything comes from nowhere.
You and your great "intelect" lol.
Oh you sad, sad retard. You can’t even bother reading all the dictionary definitions you posted for calculation and extrapolation. They are synonymous, you dimwit, and that is the reason I called your calculations extrapolations. I also eat statistical analysis comically more complex than your 8th grade equation daily in my work.
You've been owned like a little girl. Get the **** out of here.
You refuted none of the questions I put forward about why the distance, population and elapsed time given by the narration are more credible variables than the speed given by the same narration. In fact, your entire post amounts to a critique of my orthography in a foreign language and claiming I use the term extrapolation incorrectly when the dictionary definitions you posted show that its use is interchangeable with calculation. This is even more pathetic self-ownage than the SM picture you had posted earlier that shows SM stating incorrect information in an obvious math or typing mistake and not the narration stating the authors intentions for the plot.
So yeah, you have owned yourself like a little whiny b!tch.
Originally posted by Silent MasterNot if it is impossible to the astronomical degree.
So, if a writer states that a character performed feat x while moving at below C, shouldn't we give the writer the benefit of the doubt?
The mere fact that Wally has traveled faster than the speed of light on multiple occasions says that the only the writer's conclusion about the speed is wrong.
^ Let's see how genuine you are about that. Consider the below scenario:
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I doubt you would apply that sort of logic equally across the board. Then again, let's test that out by trying one such variation:[b](i)
In one second, classic Wally saves 100 people from an explosion by setting them each down a mile away one at a time and saves the last person at the last possible microsecond... a feat that requires 1/1000th the speed of light...... but the narration panel states he is running at near light speed the entire time, you're going to disregard the narration panel and say that he had to be only going 1/1000th the speed of light otherwise it's impossible?
Color me skeptical. [/B]
Originally posted by h1a8
Not if it is impossible to the astronomical degree.The mere fact that Wally has traveled faster than the speed of light on multiple occasions says that the only the writer's conclusion about the speed is wrong.
Flash did it while moving at below C, welcome to comic book physics.
Originally posted by Silent MasterThat isn't physics in any sense of the word unless Flash has a little of Zoom's powers (time control). Physics is physics and math is math. Physics can be stretched in the comic world (only to a limited degree) but not the math buddy.
Flash did it while moving at below C, welcome to comic book physics.
Originally posted by h1a8
That isn't physics in any sense of the word unless Flash has a little of Zoom's powers (time control). Physics is physics and math is math. Physics can be stretched in the comic world (only to a limited degree) but not the math buddy.
It's comic book physics. Fact is, Flash was moving below C.
Originally posted by Silent MasterFact is he wasn't (unless he was controlling time as well). There is a difference between logically impossible and factually impossible. Not even God nor comics can make something logically impossible the truth.
It's comic book physics. Fact is, Flash was moving below C.
Originally posted by h1a8
Fact is he wasn't (unless he was controlling time as well). There is a difference between logically impossible and factually impossible. Not even God nor comics can make something logically impossible the truth.
Seeing as it happened in the comics, it can't be factually impossible for a comic book.
Flash was moving at below C during the feat.
