Originally posted by Uriel005
can't believe that ppl are arguing whether or not Flash is FTL... Superman is far faster than ftl ...
Not to take this off topic, but...
Is he?
I know there's travel feats that should peg him faster then light, but isn't DC's official stance that Superman is just shy of light speed? It'd be a hard argument that his reflexes and such are even light speed, let alone above it.
Has it ever been stated that he's exceeding light speed in a comic?
Originally posted by cdtmat the very least every time he does time travel as well as entering speed force. Also when he outraced the black racer to nail Darkseid to make him killable. On top of that Superman is faster than FTL considering the distances he covers in the time he does it. Even as post crisis his travel time from solar system to solar system is too fast to be anything less than ftl because if he wasn't everyone he knew would be dead and gone from the time that he's spent off world. Hell green lantern travel speed is ftl unless they brought back wormholes/teleport for them but iirc that was a long time ago anything like that was brought up.
Not to take this off topic, but...Is he?
I know there's travel feats that should peg him faster then light, but isn't DC's official stance that Superman is just shy of light speed? It'd be a hard argument that his reflexes and such are even light speed, let alone above it.
Has it ever been stated that he's exceeding light speed in a comic?
Originally posted by h1a8
We actually see several people being saved so thus it was more than 2.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERNo one has argued against the literal canonicity of that feat (obviously it's canon.) The argument is whether or not it should be usable on KMC, because of its ambiguity.
^ So then the whole argument is pointless! The feat is canon, and its canon he can travel several times faster than Light.. He can travel Even faster than Time If I remember correctly.
After all, if Flash can effortlessly run multiple times the speed of light for an extended period of time (which he has), then why would running sub-light for a mere .00001 microseconds tax him as much as it appeared to in that scene? Why would the writer say Flash was moving sub-light, yet list very specific figures that are blatantly >> light? That ambiguity is essentially what this entire argument has been about. But like I (and a few others) have said: there's really no point in arguing that feat when Flash has several others that blow it out of the water.. /shrug
Originally posted by DARTH POWERdimensions too actually IIRC Speedforce has many shenannigans that Flashes can pull out of their asses when the time calls for it. Technically anything Max Mercury or Johnny Quick has done Barry can do better considering he is the origin of the Speedforce. Speedforce is shown to have some type of matter manip capabilities at least in reguards to costume. Also it protects them from any negative speed related effects as well as more abstract things like the anti-life equation (still questioning why the hell they added that...) Time travel really isn't a problem for Barry as shown by Wally in Rebirth as long as they keep grounded. Speedforce dimension is only accessible to speedsters due to the speed requirements. I.E. no one else seems to be able to access it and the only requirement to get in as shown by Zoom and other Flashes is speed. So I take that to mean that no one else in DC is that fast because no one has done it.
^ So then the whole argument is pointless! The feat is canon, and its canon he can travel several times faster than Light.. He can travel Even faster than Time If I remember correctly.
Also Flash has a ridiculously loaded brick destroyer in the form of the IMP and as much as anyone says its not spammable based on the scan that I posted in the Flash and Zoom vs Odin it is....
Kinetic energy based effects are useless and even energy blasts are susceptible to speed steels and Flash can turn people into living statues. Any attacks that can't be stopped this way Flash can run away from in time or by stopping off in the speedforce dimension.
So that said what exactly is it that makes people think that Flash CIS off can't do these things other than the OMG because it's f*cking retarded extrapolation despite that most of the explanations for these things are on panel as he's doing them and only require him to put different abilities together such as a step around in time to dodge an attack. All that would take is him to use his damn time travel capability and guess what.... he stepped 25 seconds into the future and dodged the attack....
Btw most of the scans for this are posted in the Odin vs Flash and Zoom and several other Flash fights by either my links or C-master posting...
As much as this is amusing, we really got to stop pretending Superman(s)/top GLs are on the level of the Flashes. We'd avoid embarrassment, as things currently stand.
There's plenty of multiversal Darkseids in DC that can't overcome what a Shazam bolt did that'd make for some compelling reexamination of prior biases.