Silver Surfer & Thanos vs Flash & Zoom

Originally posted by Mindset
Theoretically SS should be able to do anything Flash can do.

Theoretically, Surfer should own Thanos.

He's should be a low level reality warper, given some of his higher end feats and the nature of his power set.

He was able to fight off reality manipulation then put everything back to normal once.. So I wouldn't put that out of his scope..

And in regards to Zoom's ability, that's also within Surfer's scope; as in being able to manipulate time and exist out of it but still able to interact within all time/main timeline.. This way everyone will be doing GAZILLION IMP PUNCH OF MULTIVERSAL MAGNITUDE.. This is an abstract level of fighting way outside of Thanos league, so he sits this one out..

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Except use the Speed Force...

What's the speed force when he can manipulate the matter itself, see both past and future, and travel into them too?

Here how it would goes: both would hurt Surfer and annoy Thanos. Thanos create a shield to protect himself and Surfer, and then mindrape both of them. Or blast them into oblivion. Or matter manipulate their asses: after all, he did, in the past transform Super-Skrull into a statue.

The end.

Problem is, given the nature of Zoom's powers, he's going to be able to act before Thanos and Norrin will. So will Flash. The issue is whether or not you think they will be able to endure the initial blitz long enough to counter.

FTR, I think Thanos would; if he gets shielding up, cancel Christmas because Zoom and Flash are both getting omni-blasted. But with CIS off here, team two will blitz and get the first shots in. This battle depends on how you rate the durability of team one (personally, I think Norrin's going to get KOed by a blitz).

Norrin isn't getting koed by a blitz and I honestly see him reacting to zoom. This is someone that has flown past galaxies in seconds seeing everything that was going on while passing. Who has Zoom and Flash taken out during an initial blitz that is on Surfers level?

Originally posted by Harbinger
Problem is, given the nature of Zoom's powers, he's going to be able to act before Thanos and Norrin will. So will Flash. The issue is whether or not you think they will be able to endure the initial blitz long enough to counter.

FTR, I think Thanos would; if he gets shielding up, cancel Christmas because Zoom and Flash are both getting omni-blasted. But with CIS off here, team two will blitz and get the first shots in. This battle depends on how you rate the durability of team one (personally, I think Norrin's going to get KOed by a blitz).

Zoom is less an issue for Surfer that Flash: Surfer can travel in time himself.

Originally posted by carver9
Norrin isn't getting koed by a blitz and I honestly see him reacting to zoom. This is someone that has flown past galaxies in seconds seeing everything that was going on while passing. Who has Zoom and Flash taken out during an initial blitz that is on Surfers level?

No Surfer hasn't flown past galaxies in seconds. He used wormholes to achieve that feat. That's like stepping into a stargate and coming out on the other end and claiming to have the same reflexes as one who ACTUALLY traveled the distance fair and square. And also, some will argue here that travel feats are not the same as battle feats. I (a human ) can hypothetically travel at the speed of light towards the sun while observing all the visible stars in space and still have a long time to avoid hitting the sun. It takes 8 minutes to reach the Sun. Even if I were traveling at 160 times the speed of light I would still have 3 whole seconds to avoid hitting the sun. Do I have ftl speed reflexes? No. So travel feats can't be equated 100% to battle feats.

Also flash himself have exceeded the speed of time and matched the ultimate limit, the speed force itself. Flash has a feat where he is traveling at least trillions of times faster than light. His feat showed he was fast enough to travel the length of 6 galaxies in less than a second.

The one he is ref. To He was going warp speed..

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Except use the Speed Force...

Originally posted by SasuOna
Theoretically Odin can do everything Galactus can do.

Go sit in the corner.

Originally posted by h1a8
Flash has a feat where he is traveling at least trillions of times faster than light. His feat showed he was fast enough to travel the length of 6 galaxies in less than a second.

Originally posted by h1a8
No Surfer hasn't flown past galaxies in seconds. He used wormholes to achieve that feat. That's like stepping into a stargate and coming out on the other end and claiming to have the same reflexes as one who ACTUALLY traveled the distance fair and square. And also, some will argue here that travel feats are not the same as battle feats. I (a human ) can hypothetically travel at the speed of light towards the sun while observing all the visible stars in space and still have a long time to avoid hitting the sun. It takes 8 minutes to reach the Sun. Even if I were traveling at 160 times the speed of light I would still have 3 whole seconds to avoid hitting the sun. Do I have ftl speed reflexes? No. So travel feats can't be equated 100% to battle feats.

Also flash himself have exceeded the speed of time and matched the ultimate limit, the speed force itself. Flash has a feat where he is traveling at least trillions of times faster than light. His feat showed he was fast enough to travel the length of 6 galaxies in less than a second.

SS hits warp speed or to be accurate is creating a warp and travels through that.
He isn't accomplishing any of those things with his own speed I don't even think you can make the argument that he can react to anything while at that level of speed either.

SS travels at FTL using his own speed more often than not. To say he isnt accomplishing any of those things with his own speed is just willful ignorance.

Originally posted by SasuOna
SS hits warp speed or to be accurate is creating a warp and travels through that.
He isn't accomplishing any of those things with his own speed I don't even think you can make the argument that he can react to anything while at that level of speed either.

Originally posted by h1a8
No Surfer hasn't flown past galaxies in seconds. He used wormholes to achieve that feat. That's like stepping into a stargate and coming out on the other end and claiming to have the same reflexes as one who ACTUALLY traveled the distance fair and square. And also, some will argue here that travel feats are not the same as battle feats. I (a human ) can hypothetically travel at the speed of light towards the sun while observing all the visible stars in space and still have a long time to avoid hitting the sun. It takes 8 minutes to reach the Sun. Even if I were traveling at 160 times the speed of light I would still have 3 whole seconds to avoid hitting the sun. Do I have ftl speed reflexes? No. So travel feats can't be equated 100% to battle feats.

Also flash himself have exceeded the speed of time and matched the ultimate limit, the speed force itself. Flash has a feat where he is traveling at least trillions of times faster than light. His feat showed he was fast enough to travel the length of 6 galaxies in less than a second.

I don't know what feat you are talking about regarding Surfer, I don't think you even know what feat you are talking about but Surfer was FLYING past Galaxies in seconds while perceiving eveything that was going on in his surroundings. Maybe someone would be nice to put the feat up for you because I'm not doing it since everyone else knows what I am talking about.

With CIS of, Surfer kills them.

Originally posted by carver9
I don't know what feat you are talking about regarding Surfer, I don't think you even know what feat you are talking about but Surfer was FLYING past Galaxies in seconds while perceiving eveything that was going on in his surroundings. Maybe someone would be nice to put the feat up for you because I'm not doing it since everyone else knows what I am talking about.

With CIS of, Surfer kills them.

What never happened?

You mean this never happened..

Travels half a million light years in seconds
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/3076/silversurfervol3006us8.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/281/silversurfervol3007nn1.jpg

And Surfer land a galaxy busting IMP in there heads for the win.. ; )

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I like how Flash's "greatest" speed feat is accompanied by the writer's clear description that he was traveling just under the speed of light...

Originally posted by Ambient
What never happened?

You mean this never happened..

Travels half a million light years in seconds
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/3076/silversurfervol3006us8.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/281/silversurfervol3007nn1.jpg

And Surfer land a galaxy busting IMP in there heads for the win.. ; )

Originally posted by King Kandy
Boy do I love that feat. If you ever needed a case of people picking and choosing to suit their argument, this is it. We're given time, distance, people, and speed. Any one of these numbers could be the "incorrect" one, but guess which one the Flash fans pick?