Thor (without Mjolnir) VS Sebastian Shaw

Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
That actually wouldn't prevent Shaw from hitting Thor and thus building up more strength. And if Thor held him in such a way as to prevent him from moving, that'd probably require a strong enough grip that the force he was applying would be absorbed and empower Shaw.

Not saying he'd win, just that you didn't necessarily give a win scenario for Thor.

Well, I was imagining Thor holding him belly up by his collar and pants, but I guess that didn't go without saying. It would also be very easy for Thor to gently but firmly smother Shaw into unconciousness.

And the fact that nothing Nimrod could conjure could hurt Shaw so that was the main reason he was tossed like that. Then we have that instance where he fought Colossus and stood still in one spot while Colossus punched him on the face and chest and he smiled and didn't budge or move during this assault without a scratch. He then proceeded at one shotting Colossus. Then we have that instance of him pimp slapping Rogue with Ms. Marvel powers koing her and this happened twice (let's not name all of the attacks Rogue has withstood). Then we have that small showing when he fought Namor and caught his punch and hit him with a haymaker... The fight was interrupted though.

Shaw has some good showings. Even his fight against Magneto was decent but its not enough to beat Thor.

minor league stuff, he can't see thor in attack power

thor killed blockbuster during the mutant massacre, so shaw wouldn't want to anger a guy who can oneshot kill an guy in the big leagues

I agree but my point was "do not underestimate him".

overrate him instead?

Naah, Thor needs to take this fight seriously is what I am saying.

Originally posted by Cogito
The sad thing is you believe this 🙄

Lol.

Originally posted by carver9
And the fact that nothing Nimrod could conjure could hurt Shaw so that was the main reason he was tossed like that. Then we have that instance where he fought Colossus and stood still in one spot while Colossus punched him on the face and chest and he smiled and didn't budge or move during this assault without a scratch. He then proceeded at one shotting Colossus. Then we have that instance of him pimp slapping Rogue with Ms. Marvel powers koing her and this happened twice (let's not name all of the attacks Rogue has withstood). Then we have that small showing when he fought Namor and caught his punch and hit him with a haymaker... The fight was interrupted though.

Shaw has some good showings. Even his fight against Magneto was decent but its not enough to beat Thor.

Originally posted by colossulrage
do you mean the wheadon run where he fought colossus cause if so wasnt he just a psychic projection of emma? maybe im wrong been awhile since ive read the run

Naah, that's not the fight I'm talking about. I remember that fight...that happened during Colossus appearance back to the XMen. I'm referring to Colossus and Shaw first fight in the Hell Fire club mansion.

ah ok gotcha dark phoenix saga

Originally posted by psycho gundam
minor league stuff, he can't see thor in attack power

thor killed blockbuster during the mutant massacre, so shaw wouldn't want to anger a guy who can oneshot kill an guy in the big leagues

This is one of those fights were feat skewer hurt shaw significantly because of his lack of showings and opposition.

We do know one thing though. During Shaw fight against Nimrod, Nimrod couldn't find any type of physical weakness or a way of defeating Shaw so he decided to bfr him. Now let's not forget that Nimrod has dropped Classic Juggernaut and had him screaming out in pain but yet he seen no flaws in Shaw physical makeup and actually stated that anything he could possibly due to Shaw would empower him.

Originally posted by zopzop

1) Shaw? I don't think he's ever been overloaded with kinetic energy from physical attacks. Shaw for the majority.

He has been overloaded by a fall. Low-showing, to be sure, but it does establish it's possible for kinetic energy to do the trick.

I wanted to ask about the Namor scan. In it Namor seems to fly into Shaw very hard which causes him to bleed and get knocked back.

Am I wrong this point?

Originally posted by Q99
He has been overloaded by a fall. Low-showing, to be sure, but it does establish it's possible for kinetic energy to do the trick.

Originally posted by Newjak
I wanted to ask about the Namor scan. In it Namor seems to fly into Shaw very hard which causes him to bleed and get knocked back.

Am I wrong this point?

I have always been of the opinion that shaw does not absorb kinetic energy with 100% efficiency, (which could be very bad for him in this match up), that would explain the incidents when he has been cut, and perhaps bled from even blunt force (if namor incident is accurate as newjack described it)

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
wouldent that fall under pis? Not sure how PIS showing constitutes an establish limit to his powers.

I would say the amount it took is PIS since we have seen him handle more energy than that, but the main point is it's never said physical force can't overload him and an incident that says it can.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Were the scan? I have to see it to comment accurately.

It was incident where they had Shaw catch his hand. The next panel showed Shaw getting flow into by Namor, and knocked down. It looked to me like Shaw was bleeding from it.