Like I said in the PG thread: One-shotting Rogue /w/ Ms. Marvel's powers is a very impressive feat on Shaw's end, and proves that he certainly has the potential to give Dianna a good fight. However, he's usually not written on that uber of a level (and for good reason)- thus Dianna would definitely take the majority.
Originally posted by Q99
Just as Power Girl and Thor would beat him, so would Diana.Especially because she's a skilled martial artist who's also observant enough to notice what's up with his powers relatively soon.
Once she finds out he should be at a significant threat level, but what gonna happen after that? How will WW take out Shaw?
Originally posted by Q99
Like Laminator X said, grappling.--
Even in a slug fest, she'd win in an end.
I don't think grappling would work. Since she's gonna have to exert energy (kinetic energy) to hold him down/restrain him.
And I still haven't seen a scan of him being overloaded by purely physical attacks. So it's unfair to claim she'd win in a slugfest.
Originally posted by Galan007I don't see how a pillow would change anything? presumably she'd still have to use tremendous force to keep it on his face, and that energy would transfer to him, making him stronger.
Yeah, unless a pillow is standard equipment for Dianna, I'm not sure how she could suffocate Shaw without utilizing kinetic energy in some fashion..?
Originally posted by JakeTheBankgmarx
Dirty pillows are standard equipment for Diana.biscuits
Originally posted by Starscream MPassive attacks have beaten Shaw in the past (that's how Nimrod did it)- but in a scenario like this where Shaw cannot be passively BFR'd, then Dianna will have to get crafty if she's going to beat him.
I don't see how a pillow would change anything? presumably she'd still have to use tremendous force to keep it on his face, and that energy would transfer to him, making him stronger.
Originally posted by zopzop
I don't think grappling would work. Since she's gonna have to exert energy (kinetic energy) to hold him down/restrain him.
Shaw doesn't absorb all the kinetic energy applied to his body. If he did he couldn't ride in a car. Heck, since he can hit things to power himself up, he couldn't chew or exhale properly if he absorbed even minute pressures.
Since he can do these things, there seems to be a minimum threshold of impulse (change in momentum) required to trigger his power. We cant know what it is exactly, except to say that it's greater than a footfall and less than a punch.
Since his limo accelerating to highway speeds doesn't trigger his power (as evinced by the limo successfully pushing Shaw to those speeds as well), slow steady application of force against him is clearly possible. (Have we ever seen Shaw in a plane?)
Thus, something like a sleeper hold, bear hug, or choke should work.
Originally posted by Laminator_XSubduing a character of Shaw's strength in a "sleeper hold, bear hug, or choke" would require a much greater input of kinetic energy than chewing, exhaling, or riding in a car.
Shaw doesn't absorb all the kinetic energy applied to his body. If he did he couldn't ride in a car. Heck, since he can hit things to power himself up, he couldn't chew or exhale properly if he absorbed even minute pressures.Since he can do these things, there seems to be a minimum threshold of impulse (change in momentum) required to trigger his power. We cant know what it is exactly, except to say that it's greater than a footfall and less than a punch.
Since his limo accelerating to highway speeds doesn't trigger his power (as evinced by the limo successfully pushing Shaw to those speeds as well), slow steady application of force against him is clearly possible. (Have we ever seen Shaw in a plane?)
Thus, something like a sleeper hold, bear hug, or choke should work.
...So I don't think your analogies really work. :/