Sebastian Shaw vs Wonder Woman (Unequiped) in Cage Match

Originally posted by Galan007
Subduing a character of Shaw's strength in a "sleeper hold, bear hug, or choke" would require a much greater input of kinetic energy than chewing, exhaling, or riding in a car.

...So I don't think your analogies really work. :/

Doesn't matter how much energy is applied, as long as the impulse is below his trigger threshold.

Shaw's limo getting up to highway speeds exerts a great deal of energy on Shaw, far more than a punch, but gradually (low impulse). His power doesn't do anything.

If Shaw were standing on the highway and got hit by the limo, it would impart the same energy going 60 to 0 as it did speeding up, but the impulse would be great enough to trigger Shaw's power. Shaw stands there looking badassed and gets a big charge.

I thought Shaw absorbs energy from IMPACT/motion forces? He should still be able to be choked or even crushed to death under the right circumstances.

Originally posted by dmills
I thought Shaw absorbs energy from IMPACT/motion forces? He should still be able to be choked or even crushed to death under the right circumstances.

Except Selene tried that, and failed. It's in his respect thread.

WW has no idea who shaw is or what his powers are; therefore, the outcome is a toss up because the amount of time it would take for diana to figure him out is a wildcard. it's more than likely that she would mistake him for a naturally strong 75+ class brick with some type of thin force field or shielding. even if she switches to grappling, shaw would have absorbed enough kinetic energy to counter grapple against her.

i'd say this is 5/5 evenly matched.

Originally posted by Laminator_X
Doesn't matter how much energy is applied, as long as the impulse is below his trigger threshold.

Shaw's limo getting up to highway speeds exerts a great deal of energy on Shaw, far more than a punch, but gradually (low impulse). His power doesn't do anything.

If Shaw were standing on the highway and got hit by the limo, it would impart the same energy going 60 to 0 as it did speeding up, but the impulse would be great enough to trigger Shaw's power. Shaw stands there looking badassed and gets a big charge.

Either way, I do agree that it's possible for Dianna to win in that type of manner, but only if she does so immediately after the battle begins, and before any physcial attacks were dealt on her end. But personally I have my doubts that she'd try grappling before she'd try direct combat. Just MO.

Originally posted by wildernesss
WW has no idea who shaw is or what his powers are; therefore, the outcome is a toss up because the amount of time it would take for diana to figure him out is a wildcard. it's more than likely that she would mistake him for a naturally strong 75+ class brick with some type of thin force field or shielding. even if she switches to grappling, shaw would have absorbed enough kinetic energy to counter grapple against her.

She'd notice he's getting stronger, she's perceptive.

And even with KE absorbed, she'd both be stronger still, and a much better grappler.

i'd say this is 5/5 evenly matched.

Shaw's never gotten strong enough to take on a herald level meleer.

Originally posted by Q99
She'd notice he's getting stronger, she's perceptive.

Originally posted by Q99
Shaw's never gotten strong enough to take on a herald level meleer.

Wasn't she cl 50 or so when Rogue absorbed her powers?

Dunno. It was a serious question.

Originally posted by Galan007
Where would you put Rogue /w/ Ms. Marvel's power?

Much lower, something like the class 65-75 range (for some reason she was stronger than the Ms. Marvel of the time). She's less strong than Colossus, who's significantly weaker than Wonder Woman.

Originally posted by Q99
Much lower, something like the class 65-75 range (for some reason she was stronger than the Ms. Marvel of the time). She's less strong than Colossus, who's significantly weaker than Wonder Woman.

She was stronger than Carol because she'd been working out on panel with some giant weights for some time.

Yeah I don't think no-selling Rogue is that big of a deal, granted she (and Carol for that matter) had durability that was always more impressive than her strength.

Originally posted by zopzop
Except Selene tried that, and failed. It's in his respect thread.

It failed because Shaw was strong enough to shatter the stone she was using, not because he wasn't getting squeezed. Pay attention to Shaw's dialogue.

after seeing that feat i'm giving shaw a majority 6/10. if he could shatter that stone then he could break WW's grip, shake her off him, or break a choke hold at LEAST once; WW would almost certainly change tactics and proceed to use her strongest blunt force punches....& lose.

Originally posted by wildernesss
after seeing that feat i'm giving shaw a majority 6/10. if he could shatter that stone then he could break WW's grip, shake her off him, or break a choke hold at LEAST once; WW would almost certainly change tactics and proceed to use her strongest blunt force punches....& lose.

You think a little stone is stronger than WW?

Originally posted by Cogito
You think a little stone is stronger than WW?

lol, a little stone? that thing was huge & he was being squeezed; yet, he still managed to shatter it. WW is stronger than a garden variety shaw. no doubt....it just wouldn't make enough difference imho.

Funny how Sebastian has improved over the years. Nowadays the force he exerted to shatter that stone would strengthen him.

At any rate, I'm still hard-pressed to believe that Dianna would immediately start wrestling with Shaw, before delivering any physical strikes.

Originally posted by Galan007
Funny how Sebastian has improved over the years. Nowadays the force he exerted to shatter that stone would strengthen him.

At any rate, I'm still hard-pressed to believe that Dianna would immediately start wrestling with Shaw, before delivering any physical strikes.

It's hard to believe because it wouldn't happen.

Originally posted by Mindset
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It's hard to believe because it wouldn't happen.

Me thinks she'd engage Shaw like every other character does (even when they know what his powerset is)- ie. direct h2h combat. And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Shaw could take an indefinite amount of strikes from her, but he could definitely take a handful- and after he redirects that energy back at Dianna, she's going to be hurting.

Originally posted by wildernesss
lol, a little stone? that thing was huge & he was being squeezed; yet, he still managed to shatter it.

Yep, little stone. It's what, 10'x10'ish? Diana is nearly Superman level strength. She'd break that stone with a casual poke.

I believe WW takes this only because I believe that Shaw has limits, although that has yet to be determined. If he didn't, then obviously Diana has a slim chance.