The Spiderman car-catch in CW was 3000 lbs at 40mph right?
Anyway, math shows that to be at 2.5 ton-force.
The same amount of force that Spidey managed to catch with little trouble and without losing his footing.
Wouldn't it stand to reason that, physics-wise, Cap needed to generate pull beyond that in order to pull in Spiderman?
Originally posted by juggernaut74
The train seemed to be moving faster than 35 but it's been years since I saw that movie.
Well, unless it's a fictional train from another time/place, then we have to base it on NY/LA subway trains and they go at that speed (top speed of 55 but they never ever go at that speed).
Originally posted by Nibedicus
The Spiderman car-catch in CW was 3000 lbs at 40mph right?Anyway, math shows that to be at 2.5 ton-force.
The same amount of force that Spidey managed to catch with little trouble and without losing his footing.
Wouldn't it stand to reason that, physics-wise, Cap needed to generate pull beyond that in order to pull in Spiderman?
Originally posted by Nibedicus
The Spiderman car-catch in CW was 3000 lbs at 40mph right?Anyway, math shows that to be at 2.5 ton-force.
The same amount of force that Spidey managed to catch with little trouble and without losing his footing.
Wouldn't it stand to reason that, physics-wise, Cap needed to generate pull beyond that in order to pull in Spiderman?
No. Thats not how physics works. Pete weighs 160lbs, Cap weighs 200lbs. It doesn't matter how strong pete is, if he's caught a little off balance then the strength counts for less.
Thor is miles stronger than Cap. Cap can suplex thor.
I take that scene as nothing more than PIS. Not only that, but there are other factors involved than just arm strength. Pete could've just been using that, and was caught of guard by Cap's initial full weight pull. Plus Cap weighs more, so if he got Pete moving a bit, this would be a factor that had nothing to do with strength.
Let's be real here. If Pete was trying to move Cap and was braced, Cap would be moved. I can see no other way. We've seen Pete, a noob, casually catch WS arm and twist it. Cap could never, and has never replicated this. In fact, he's been directly overpowered by the arm a few times. Spiderman's strength feats are beyond Cap's as well. So that scene was directly related to it being a Cap movie. Nothing more, nothing less. PIS
Originally posted by Juk3n
No. Thats not how physics works. Pete weighs 160lbs, Cap weighs 200lbs. It doesn't matter how strong pete is, if he's caught a little off balance then the strength counts for less.Thor is miles stronger than Cap. Cap can suplex thor.
Yes yes. I know how simple real world physics work man. With the amount of "quantification" I do, I better. Lol. 😛
That is why I used that example specifically.
The same "comic-book movie physics law" that prevented Spiderman (a 160 lbs kid) to instantly stop and catch a 3000 lbs car traveling at 40mph without flying back into the bus should have stopped him from being pulled by a spinning 250 (?) lbs Steve.
Do we ignore the strict application of physics for one instance and simply allow it for another? Or should we be consistent (based on character showings) across the board?
And it doesn't look like he was caught off balance either, he was braced and pulling against Cap's strength (1:43).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDftrHk0PwM
Admittedly, the scene is a bit of a head scratcher for me, too.
Edit. Here is the Spiderman car catch (0:58).
I saw the movie twice and the scene is quite burnt to my brain, as i myself was shocked that Cap managed to do that to Spidey. Either way, yes, Cap kinda outright overpowered Spider using his body and no, Spiderman was in a full braced position using his arm(and possibly back strength) to pull back Cap. Call it PIS if you will...but it happened.
Edit: Actually from watching the video Nibe posted. The best we can say is Cap slightly took Spidey by surprise and in the instant Peter was of balance...yeah...
Originally posted by NibedicusAnd it doesn't look like he was caught off balance either, he was braced and pulling against Cap's strength (1:43).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDftrHk0PwM
Admittedly, the scene is a bit of a head scratcher for me, too.
Ah watch it in slow mo, and he didn't actually overpower Spidey until he turned around and did that spin. So looks like some leverage and catching him off balance thing to me. At 1:46 he turns around and puts his hands together and then pulls (while Spidey's arms are still apart). Then @ 1:47 he properly overpowers him with that spin.
If Cap was just outright stronger he wouldn't need that spin to overpower Spidey in strength, and wouldn't have needed to turn around just to get a bit of leverage or whatever.
Edit, also when Spidey webs him from behind @ 1:42-1:44 he should have gone for his legs again just like IM told him. He did that the first time, even said that's what IM told him to do, and then when he's got him from behind he suddenly goes for his arms??
Noob Spidey at this stage I guess.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Ah watch it in slow mo, and he didn't actually overpower Spidey until he turned around and did that spin. So looks like some leverage and catching him off balance thing to me. At 1:46 he turns around and puts his hands together and then pulls (while Spidey's arms are still apart). Then @ 1:47 he properly overpowers him with that spin.If Cap was just outright stronger he wouldn't need that spin to overpower Spidey in strength, and wouldn't have needed to turn around just to get a bit of leverage or whatever.
Edit, also when Spidey webs him from behind @ 1:42-1:44 he should have gone for his legs again just like IM told him. He did that the first time, even said that's what IM told him to do, and then when he's got him from behind he suddenly goes for his arms??
Noob Spidey at this stage I guess.
Well, it's no question that Spiderman was "surprised" by Cap's sudden tug. But, the point stands: He was braced and pulling against Cap. An extremely minor angle change and a sudden application of force by Cap would have still needed to overcome the strength/resistance needed to stop a car moving at 40 mph. There is no going around this. It would need for Spiderman to somehow relax his grip/stance for this to make sense.
LOL HAHA
Difference here is, Pete has strength feats superior to Cap, and decidedly so. So how could Cap overpower him, unless there was something else going on there? Not only are his feats superior, we know they are based on comic book characters, where again, Pete clearly outshines him, and by a lot. Then we have WS arm directly overpowering Cap on a few occasions. Well Pete casually overpowered that, so how could he be stronger? This all points to PIS.
On the contrary, nothing has been shown to contradict said speed. He wasn't hit by punches, nor kicks, in fact, he wasn't hit once. He raises his arm casually after a knife is thrown by an expert point blank no issue. He moved so fast a trained commando couldn't even track his movement. Even while having 15 to 20 feet of distance between them to start. Ozy was later shown dodging bullet fire and casually doing so. You could have a point if he was hit by those bullets, or hit by punches, only he never was... not once. Nice try though big bud lol
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
LOL HAHADifference here is, Pete has strength feats superior to Cap, and decidedly so. So how could Cap overpower him, unless there was something else going on there? Not only are his feats superior, we know they are based on comic book characters, where again, Pete clearly outshines him, and by a lot. Then we have WS arm directly overpowering Cap on a few occasions. Well Pete casually overpowered that, so how could he be stronger? This all points to PIS.
On the contrary, nothing has been shown to contradict said speed. He wasn't hit by punches, nor kicks, in fact, he wasn't hit once. He raises his arm casually after a knife is thrown by an expert point blank no issue. He moved so fast a trained commando couldn't even track his movement. Even while having 15 to 20 feet of distance between them to start. Ozy was later shown dodging bullet fire and casually doing so. You could have a point if he was hit by those bullets, or hit by punches, only he never was... not once. Nice try though big bud lol
And this is where the picking and choosing happens.
Find reasons to justify one "feat" and then use PIS to try and ignore another.
I do not subscribe to this logic tho I will not fault ppl for doing so.