Captain America vs. Blade

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Cap only properly overpowered Spidey's strength with that spin he did. It's not like he matched him in an arm wrestle.

Also even when they're pulling at each other you clearly see the strain on Cap's face. Obviously we can't see Parker's face but doubtful he was straining as much.

I know that, though. Really, I do.

My point is not that Cap beat Spiderman strength-wise when both parties were able to equally apply their strength.

My point is that in order for Cap to make Spiderman lose his footing and get tossed like that, the pull he needed to apply had to at least exceed the force of that moving car Spidey easily managed to catch without getting tossed or losing his footing.

^ Yeah was definitely a beastly feat by Cap. Given Spidey caught the car easily (well seemed like it).

My problem is, those aren't really the same forces at work. One was an object coming at Pete and he had to stop it and lift it. The other is getting pulled against your will. For example, the forces required to stop a moving car going 40... aren't the same as a car going 40 trying to pull you. Not to mention slightly different muscles focus.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
My problem is, those aren't really the same forces at work. One was an object coming at Pete and he had to stop it and lift it. The other is getting pulled against your will. For example, the forces required to stop a moving car going 40... aren't the same as a car going 40 trying to pull you. Not to mention slightly different muscles focus.

Yes, minor differences between the "forces" involved. But force is just that. Force. Mass times acceleration. One just happens to be pulling him forward the other was pushing him back. Both were sudden and covered about the same amount of time (split-seconds). And he didn't just "stop and lift it", he stopped its forward momentum. "Lifting" something DOES NOT in any way stop it's forward movement. The amount of counter-force he needed to stop the car needed to be equivalent to the forward momentum it was generating. The same counter-force that he should still be able to apply against Cap seeing that he was braced during the exchange.

You can nitpick at minor differences between "feats, sure. But the same can be done to just about any "feat" that can be mentioned when in comparison to the other. There is very little difference in muscle tone for Peter for us to conclude that his pull muscles are less developed than his push muscles. "Proportional strength of a spider" would have to be applied for all his muscle groups after all.

I don't disagree with most of what you bud, but none the less they are clearly different in the force application for both, and the muscles that relates to. Anyways, I agree with you, but I just want to say one thing.

In Re: calling feats PIS and the slippery slope meaning behind that. Well, I would submit that there are various levels are clear PIS; such that there shouldn't be a logic argument for it to count. On the other side, there could be situations where it's close enough to other things they've shown or potential; that it has to be accepted. If not, how else would people ever have feats? They wouldn't. I think those situations happen often, where they are believable. This is in between both. It's too inconsistent to be the later, but it doesn't fit with the former either. Could there be ambiguity there/ Sure, but I would submit, I can't see it being the later, and you seem to possible think it could.