Nova Prime vs Ironman/Steel

Started by celeyhyga176 pages

Originally posted by Blair Wind
I don't have access to my personal files - on another computer - so I raided his respect thread. They don't have as much as I do, but enough for you to get the point.

Pre-Extremis hacking the entire Kree's Militia Communications Network:
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This was something I was interested in since it's against advanced alien tech. The type that Nova easily does "remote" hacking to without the use of hardware. Worldmind would just straight up jack ure shiet. 😛

And ure telling me this is not impressive? His hacking into Annihilus's hive mind was so crippling that the wave is forced to retreat! You gotta give him props for that...
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nova crushes IM

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I'm interested to see this go down in a battlezone.

I would do that foshizzle. 👆

Technical capabilities
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Most impressive wins.

@BlairWind
U were talking about how he punked Gravition who was punking the Avengers?

How bout Nova flat out punking a really evil alternate reality Avengers team and saving the GotG in the process? They all get swatted with ease when a no messing around Nova starts cutting loose!!! Mind you this "Revengers" team had some powerful members that included evil versions of Thor, Quasar, Iron Man, Ms. Marvel, Giant Man, and Captain America.

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Originally posted by celeyhyga17
@BlairWind
U were talking about how he punked Gravition who was punking the Avengers?

How bout Nova flat out punking a really evil alternate reality Avengers team and saving the GotG in the process? They all get swatted with ease when a no messing around Nova starts cutting loose!!! Mind you this "Revengers" team had some powerful members that included evil versions of Thor, Quasar, Iron Man, Ms. Marvel, Giant Man, and Captain America.

http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/ThanImp_6_PeterWatts_CPS_013.jpg
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Show him Blastaar with the ccc didn't want any parts of Nova Prime

Originally posted by celeyhyga17 This was something I was interested in since it's against advanced alien tech. The type that Nova easily does "remote" hacking to without the use of hardware. Worldmind would just straight up jack ure shiet. 😛

Yes that scan was Pre-Extremis. He has done remote hacking in the past, but now post Extremis ALL he does is remote hacking.

And ure telling me this is not impressive? His hacking into Annihilus's hive mind was so crippling that the wave is forced to retreat! You gotta give him props for that...
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Annihalation-Nova04page21.jpg
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Eh. It wasn't that his hacking was so crippling. He hacked into his mind and using it he gave the order to destroy themselves. And being that they all instantly obeyed to Annihilus, they had to comply.

Either way, that's more a case of a form of telepathy than actual hacking. Both of which would not happen with Iron-Man. See, Tony has a history of dealing well with physics. He's been the only person on earth not mind raped by Mentallo - actually beat him in the cyber-astral plane - all because of some tech in his watch. Since I don't have those scans on hand, however, this will do:

When Tony was making plans to essentially delete the contents of his brain in order to prevent Osborn from obtaining his 'memories', one of his assistants asked why he didn't just recruit a psychic to erase those particular 'memories' from his mind. Tony replied with...

"Phychics can't read a hard drive" (3rd scan):


How bout Nova flat out punking a really evil alternate reality Avengers team and saving the GotG in the process? They all get swatted with ease when a no messing around Nova starts cutting loose!!! Mind you this "Revengers" team had some powerful members that included evil versions of Thor, Quasar, Iron Man, Ms. Marvel, Giant Man, and Captain America.

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Alternate realities don't count for anything. It's not canon for the real Iron-Man and therefore has no real account on what might happen in the 616 universe.

Originally posted by dmills
[B]Lulz. I'm enjoying this warm up. You kinda mixed things up by adding combat feats, but good response nonetheless.

Well, you kind of picked things that only Nova might be good at. Just because they have certain little oddities does not a great hero make. Like I said before, with the scenarios you used, a lot of heroes would be out of a job if that is what was expected of them.

The only thing Nova and Graviton have in common is grav manip. Outside of that they're two different people with their own strengths and weaknesses. And I can assure you that the shyte Tony pulled on Graviton would promptly get his ass into trouble against Nova.

Prove it. I'm not unreasonable, I've just yet to see anyone provide any kind of evidence to suggest he would beat Iron Man. All I hear is "he stomps". Someone give me reason to believe that.

Furthermore aren't those events unrelated? Graviton holding the heroes of earth captive during Thunderbolts happened prior to the scans you just posted IIRC.

So? I showed you a scan where Graviton had the world at his fingertips. Then I showed you a later scan proving that Iron Man can gone beyond that. The two events do not need to be connected to prove that Tony has evolved past him.

Originally posted by Blair Wind

Eh. It wasn't that his hacking was so crippling. He hacked into his mind and using it he gave the order to destroy themselves. And being that they all instantly obeyed to Annihilus, they had to comply.

Either way, that's more a case of a form of telepathy than actual hacking.

HUH? You're reaching here. And lowballing. Either way we're debating technical capabilities and that was an example of "hacking" the mind of an organic being at the bio electric/chemical level.

Well, you kind of picked things that only Nova might be good at. Just because they have certain little oddities does not a great hero make. Like I said before, with the scenarios you used, a lot of heroes would be out of a job if that is what was expected of them.

But they fit the context of this debate, that's why I used them. Feats that showcased the use of advanced technology. I figured Tony would have some kind of equivalent and you provided some so what's the problem?

Prove it. I'm not unreasonable, I've just yet to see anyone provide any kind of evidence to suggest he would beat Iron Man. All I hear is "he stomps". Someone give me reason to believe that.

Prove what? That the method used to defeat Graviton would be a bad strategy against Rider?

Well for one there's his own personal durability. He has no heat weakness as he has been relatively unscathed from super heated magma to enduring the heat of a neutron star, the latter being orders of magnitude hotter then the sun.

Then there is the issue of his shields which can vary in strength from standard to all but impenetrable.

Lastly there's the energy absorption and manipulation factor.

So? I showed you a scan where Graviton had the world at his fingertips. Then I showed you a later scan proving that Iron Man can gone beyond that. The two events do not need to be connected to prove that Tony has evolved past him.

So your conclusion is a glaring non sequitur, ergo it for not follow. By your reasoning Ironman > all the heroes on marvel earth since you used some of Graviton's highest showings of power as the crux of your argument. If I show scans of Nefaria smashing on teams of Avengers and then show a later scan from an entirely different confrontation that has Wolverine cutting him to shreds, does that mean that Logan has "evolved" past Nefaria as well? Not to mention the questions like; was it pis? Was Graviton utilizing the same amount of power in the latter encounter as he did in the former? Did he job?

I don't think I've said Nova would stomp. My take has always been that this is just a flat out bad match up for Tony. In a a nutshell a best case scenario for Tony is that he's fighting a guy with all of his strengths but none of his weaknesses. At worst he's fighting a guy with significantly amplified levels of Tony's strengths and none of his weaknesses. Either way he loses here.

Requested edit.

Nova Prime isn't beating Iron Man easily if he does manage to win. The stance is imho either ignorant or stupid.

I can see Nova managing to win 6-7/10 against Stark but you'd better believe it'd be an amazing fight.

I'm pretty sure we've already had this discussion Dmills, or something similar. Not really sure why you still think -forgive me if I'm wrong, just did a quick skim- Tony giving him a good fight and what not is such a bad thing. Dude held his own against Thor briefly not to long ago. I'll tell you right now, Tony has some impressive feats under his belt, even against Top Tiers and the like.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Nova Prime isn't beating Iron Man easily if he does manage to win. The stance is imho either ignorant or stupid.

I can see Nova managing to win 6-7/10 against Stark but you'd better believe it'd be an amazing fight.

I'm pretty sure we've already had this discussion Dmills, or something similar. Not really sure why you still think -forgive me if I'm wrong, just did a quick skim- Tony giving him a good fight and what not is such a bad thing. Dude held his own against Thor briefly not to long ago. I'll tell you right now, Tony has some impressive feats under his belt, even against Top Tiers and the like.

Nah I didn't say stomp. 6-7/10 hard fights sounds about right and the sole reason I think that is specifically related to the discussion that you and I had. Others say its a stomp, but Blair and I are arguing about who has the better standard tech.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Nova Prime isn't beating Iron Man easily if he does manage to win. The stance is imho either ignorant or stupid.

I can see Nova managing to win 6-7/10 against Stark but you'd better believe it'd be an amazing fight.

I'm pretty sure we've already had this discussion Dmills, or something similar. Not really sure why you still think -forgive me if I'm wrong, just did a quick skim- Tony giving him a good fight and what not is such a bad thing. Dude held his own against Thor briefly not to long ago. I'll tell you right now, Tony has some impressive feats under his belt, even against Top Tiers and the like.

Nah, if he's serious he'll stomp Iron Man. It's an amazing fight because Nova holds back. IM does well against a Thor that holds back.

Nova taking out a hoard of Kree Sentries. Letsee IM replicating that.
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Lifting an adult Technarchy and slamming it to the ground.
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How powerful or Kree sentries?

He could definitely do the second, as he has the strength and speed.

Originally posted by Blair Wind

Eh. It wasn't that his hacking was so crippling. He hacked into his mind and using it he gave the order to destroy themselves. And being that they all instantly obeyed to Annihilus, they had to comply.

Give credit where credit is due. Lowballing an extremely difficult feat there. He not only pulled it off, he had to survive an Annihilus that was trying to suck him dry. An Annihilus that just atomized a seasoned herald (Quasar). U are lowballing my friend. Tell me what Tony would have done in that situation. Oh wait that's right, he wouldn't even register as an ant in Annihilus's senses.

Originally posted by Blair Wind

Alternate realities don't count for anything. It's not canon for the real Iron-Man and therefore has no real account on what might happen in the 616 universe.

Again lowballing. One of these alternate reality Avengers (evil Quasar)just gave Nova a heap of trouble in a previous issue during the whole Thanos Imperative story. Worldmind even guaged his power as being a sizeable threat to Nova's safety. Add the fact that Lord Mar-Vell himself called the Revengers his elite force.

All I know is Tony's armor is susceptible to getting hacked by advanced tech. One of Ultron's incarnations was able to control the vaunted Extremis armor or did u forget? That was one of Tony's most embarrasing moments. "Naked Female Iron Man" and all... 😛
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Then again, he could always just open a stargate right on Tony's grille and let the gravimetric vortex consume Iron Man. Something he's down more than once. 😉

Originally posted by Blair Wind

I've yet to ever be impressed by Nova. Iron-man may be slightly lower in overall power but his sheer versatility, intelligence.....

I guess Tony has this kind of power eh? The stargate was so enormous that it had the capacity to ferry in a whole planet's worth of starships. Let's just say countless. A stargate so powerful that it was felt by Annihilus 2 fukking light years away. And what does he do right after? He gets right back to busting A-wave starships as if he never created an upper magnitude stargate just seconds ago. That slightly more powerful statement u typed had me on the floor loling.
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Originally posted by Mindset
How powerful or Kree sentries?

He could definitely do the second, as he has the strength and speed.

One Sentry was more than a match for Iron Man and an Avengers team that included Wanda and Wonder Man. IM had a shot at the Kree Sentry and only ripped a small hole in it duel to Wanda's hex assist.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
One Sentry was more than a match for Iron Man and an Avengers team that included Wanda and Wonder Man. IM had a shot at the Kree Sentry and only ripped a small hole in it duel to Wanda's hex assist.

They're going to say that it was a weaker armor. Or lowball the Nova feat.

Well, was it a weaker armor?

You say that like it wouldn't be a valid point.

why is this being argued? prime would crush ironman unless he had onesided prep

Nova prime dominates

Originally posted by Naija boy
Nova prime dominates
You're underestimating Iron Man.

Originally posted by Starscream M
You're underestimating Iron Man.

Stargate Stark into oblivion. What can Tony do? Pray? biscuits