Originally posted by psycho gundam
well, it's not that great a case or anything but mangog and all of the rest of them are not walking through hulk, it wasn't the case then and it definitely isn't the case these days.
Actually it is if a person has a mind that functions properly. If a guy is mowing over people that he has previously stalmated in the past then that should give a pretty good indication of how powerful he is. You phuck up an AMPED Bi-beast then that's a damn nice feat.
Originally posted by dmills
You know what? You make a helluva case with that latest hulk issue. I'd forgotten this but Bi-beast never lost to Savage straight up IIRC and we all know how powerful Wedigo was. Current Hulk doggystyled them in that last issue and did so while they were amped at that. Not to mention Fin fang foom off panel as well.I change my opinion. He makes it past the first four for sure. Not sure about the rest but it wouldn't surprise me if he made it to Silver age. He'd stop hard there though.
Note to Carver9. ^^^Now that's how you make a good case 😉
I said all that before and gundam got that from me. You all just ignored it when I said it.
I also said during my first post that he will not get past Silver Age Mangog and it would probably end in a stalemate.
I agree w/ PG that Hulk's most recent appearances have been impressive (however, I do not agree with Carver that hulk's most recent appearances have been pretty impressive) -- but I would actually argue that the amps to Bi-beast and Wendigo make it less useful. Often in comics, a character will defeat an "amped" opponent who actually appears less impressive than in his normal form in order to make that character seem more impressive; likewise, many characters' best feats are done while they are "weakened." I still find Savage Hulk's feats against teams of established heroes more impressive than Hulk's recent showings. We'll see though, I may yet be converted. For now, though, Jurgen's Mangog is still beating WWH.
Originally posted by carver9
I also said during my first post that he will not get past Silver Age Mangog and it would probably end in a stalemate.
Originally posted by carver9
Jurgens Mangog did nothing impressive to suggest he could beat Hulk and Rulk beat the crap out of Thor that was amped with the Odin Power and Current Hulk treated this same Rulk like he was fighting a child.Hulk clears this.
Seems you've said quite a few different things 😬
Originally posted by psycho gundam
buuut, the characters hulk beat down lately have been hulk specific villains. the writers are blatantly showing him castrate these guys with ease, as there only purpose is to show the expanded gulf there is between them and hulk now.
That may well be the case, but no one jobs like a home-team villain -- it would be much more impressive to see him going up against some high-end heroes, or somebody else's villains. It should also be pointed out that Hulk's power levels have fluctuated massively in the last several years, often without explanation. I need more before I'm convinced that these last few issues aren't just a flash in the pan.
Originally posted by Simbon
I agree w/ PG that Hulk's most recent appearances have been impressive (however, I do not agree with Carver that hulk's most recent appearances have been pretty impressive) -- but I would actually argue that the amps to Bi-beast and Wendigo make it less useful. Often in comics, a character will defeat an "amped" opponent who actually appears less impressive than in his normal form in order to make that character seem more impressive; likewise, many characters' best feats are done while they are "weakened." I still find Savage Hulk's feats against teams of established heroes more impressive than Hulk's recent showings. We'll see though, I may yet be converted. For now, though, Jurgen's Mangog is still beating WWH.
While there's certainly some merit to what you're saying, there are some other key factors that play into this and like my man psycho alluded to, while on a pure feat for feat basis savage may seem better, in terms of writer's intent and portrayal, current Hulk is definitively superior. I'll respect the intent of Pak here.
I only got down on current Hulk when people started saying he'd be able to physically beat trans levelers and Skyfathers. Zeus laid that shyte to rest so I'm good now 🙂
Originally posted by dmills
While there's certainly some merit to what you're saying, there are some other key factors that play into this and like my man psycho alluded to, while on a pure feat for feat basis savage may seem better, in terms of writer's intent and portrayal, current Hulk is definitively superior.
Intent and portrayal don't carry much water with me. In Mangog's last appearance he was supposed to be more powerful than ever, when in fact he ended up being even weaker than Jurgens Mangog. What matters are feats and consistency. On that basis, I would say that WWH's starting strength and durability are superior to Savage Hulk's, but that his strength is not nearly as dynamic. Even Savage Hulk's showing in Agents of Atlas was superior to pretty much anything we've seen from WWH.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
he's not beating kurse
Why not? Because Kurse is 4 to 5 Times stronger than Thor. Well Savage was just as strong as Thor, probably stronger and Current Hulk fought 2 beings that were equal to Savage Hulk who again were equal to Thor strength wise and these being became at least a THOUSAND times more powerful than they were before (which again was equal to Thor and Savage) and current Hulk still stomped them.
Thor or Kurse isn't matching that kind of power at all.