Originally posted by Mindset
Hulk is officially the strongest comic character.
Not true. Didn't you read the issue where hulk tried to fight Ymir's penis? No matter how much Hulk grappled with his opponent, it just kept getting bigger and stronger. In the end, hulk was left bruised and battered, and almost drowned.
Originally posted by Simbon
Intent and portrayal don't carry much water with me. In Mangog's last appearance he was supposed to be more powerful than ever, when in fact he ended up being even weaker than Jurgens Mangog. What matters are feats and consistency. On that basis, I would say that WWH's starting strength and durability are superior to Savage Hulk's, but that his strength is not nearly as dynamic. Even Savage Hulk's showing in Agents of Atlas was superior to pretty much anything we've seen from WWH.
Each his own I guess. Refresh me on aoa?
Originally posted by Simbon
Intent and portrayal don't carry much water with me. In Mangog's last appearance he was supposed to be more powerful than ever, when in fact he ended up being even weaker than Jurgens Mangog. What matters are feats and consistency. On that basis, I would say that WWH's starting strength and durability are superior to Savage Hulk's, but that his strength is not nearly as dynamic. Even Savage Hulk's showing in Agents of Atlas was superior to pretty much anything we've seen from WWH.
Well you are wrong buddy since both WWH and pissed Savage Hulk fought Rulk and Savage got his arm broke, choked to sleep, woke up, got killed, fought him again and got beat senseless whereas WWH beat that same Rulk in 2 panels. He then 1 shot Wendigo who stalemated Savage and then beat a more powerful version of the Wendigo who had a powerful partner aiding him which ended with Hulk punching both of them out of orbit.
What else do you want?
Then it was outright stated onpanel that Thor TEAMED UP WITH THE AVENGERS could not stop WWH/Current Hulk, even if they tried.
Originally posted by carver9
Well you are wrong buddy since both WWH and pissed Savage Hulk fought Rulk and Savage got his arm broke, choked to sleep, woke up, got killed, fought him again and got beat senseless whereas WWH beat that same Rulk in 2 panels. He then 1 shot Wendigo who stalemated Savage and then beat a more powerful version of the Wendigo who had a powerful partner aiding him which ended with Hulk punching both of them out of orbit.What else do you want?
Then it was outright stated onpanel that Thor TEAMED UP WITH THE AVENGERS could not stop WWH/Current Hulk, even if they tried.
Glad to hear from you Carver -- if my posts don't rile you up, then I know I'm doing something wrong. You are the only one who thinks those Rulk fights are a measure of anything. Ask yourself why. No, the answer is not "Everybody just hates Hulk." The answer is that when Rulk first appeared, he was so hopped up on Loeb-force he killed Grandmaster (immortal, above skyfather-level, etc.). I've told you why the Wendigo feat is less impressive than it sounds. As for the on-panel statement, on-panel statements have said that the Gods are afraid of approaching Apocalypse, and that Magneto is the most powerful man on earth.
I've told you what would persuade me: fights in which WWH was shown to be a greater team-threat than Savage Hulk, or physically dominates a top tier who could compete with Savage one-on-one. For instance, if WWH had a rulk-like victory over Thor (ignoring the hammer problem), and if this were consistent with other showings, I would accept these claims.
Originally posted by Simbon
Glad to hear from you Carver -- if my posts don't rile you up, then I know I'm doing something wrong. You are the only one who thinks those Rulk fights are a measure of anything. Ask yourself why. No, the answer is not "Everybody just hates Hulk." The answer is that when Rulk first appeared, he was so hopped up on Loeb-force he killed Grandmaster (immortal, above skyfather-level, etc.). I've told you why the Wendigo feat is less impressive than it sounds. As for the on-panel statement, on-panel statements have said that the Gods are afraid of approaching Apocalypse, and that Magneto is the most powerful man on earth.I've told you what would persuade me: fights in which WWH was shown to be a greater team-threat than Savage Hulk, or physically dominates a top tier who could compete with Savage one-on-one. For instance, if WWH had a rulk-like victory over Thor (ignoring the hammer problem), and if this were consistent with other showings, I would accept these claims.
Aaahhh....so we are playing the "throw everything out of the window game" because you don't like what happened? WWH fighting the same people that Savage Hulk fought and dominating them is proof of who is more powerful...no matter how much you don't like it. It being stated on panel by shield, Toni, Xavier, Reed, Wolverine, along with numerous of others is proof enough that WWH is significantly more powerful than Savage. It being stated on panel that the entire Avengers INCLUDING THOR wouldn't have been capable of stopping Current Hulk is proof of this (that was the main reason they threw Skaar out there...because they thought that he was the only one that had the potential to stop Current Hulk).
I don't know what else you are asking for. I guess they need to pit him against Galactus to prove a point and you still might not accept it.
Who is more powerful? Sundipped Superman or regular Superman?
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Feats were simply superior in the Silver Age.Grey Hulk smashing that huge asteroid is better than WWH's feats.
Naah, a weaker Hulk did something better on Planet sakaar. While in a weakened state, he held both ends of a splitting planet together with nothing but brute strength and Planet sakaar was twice the size of Earth. I would say that is superior than busting through an asteroid twice the size of Earth. What grey Hulk did leaned more on strength and durability whereas WWH was pure strength.
Originally posted by carver9
Aaahhh....so we are playing the "throw everything out of the window game" because you don't like what happened? WWH fighting the same people that Savage Hulk fought and dominating them is proof of who is more powerful...no matter how much you don't like it. It being stated on panel by shield, Toni, Xavier, Reed, Wolverine, along with numerous of others is proof enough that WWH is significantly more powerful than Savage. It being stated on panel that the entire Avengers INCLUDING THOR wouldn't have been capable of stopping Current Hulk is proof of this (that was the main reason they threw Skaar out there...because they thought that he was the only one that had the potential to stop Current Hulk).I don't know what else you are asking for. I guess they need to pit him against Galactus to prove a point and you still might not accept it.
Who is more powerful? Sundipped Superman or regular Superman?
Carver, when you accuse me of ignoring WWH's feats because I don't like them, that's you projecting. I already addressed everything you've said.
Originally posted by carver9
Why not? Because Kurse is 4 to 5 Times stronger than Thor. Well Savage was just as strong as Thor, probably stronger and Current Hulk fought 2 beings that were equal to Savage Hulk who again were equal to Thor strength wise and these being became at least a THOUSAND times more powerful than they were before (which again was equal to Thor and Savage) and current Hulk still stomped them.Thor or Kurse isn't matching that kind of power at all.
Originally posted by dmills
Gotta agree with Carver here. Simbon you seem to be asking for an inordinate amount of proof in this case bro. In at least one case what you asked for was provided with current hulk destroying Wendigo and bi beast together. Both of whom have given savage hell in the past.
Like I said, it was an impressive feat, but I would have been more impressed if he had beat their regular incarnations. The evidence I want isn't inordinate. At this point, a really decisive showing over someone like King Hyperion might be enough. Like I said, though, it's about feats and consistency. To use another character Carver likes, when Gladiator annihilated Vulcan, and was shown defeating a phoenix, those were incredibly impressive feats that seemed like they might elevate his standing. Since then, however, he's had good feats and bad feats, but still seems to be the same old Gladiator. With these new feats, WWH is moving up in my estimation, but he still has a ways to go.
