Originally posted by JakeTheBankYou can't be serious.
Lol, true, DC's continuity is pretty messed as is and before factoring in the new 52. To clarify, I meant everything that's canon for New Earth Superman, taking into account the stuff that did get retconned such as in Infinite Crisis and Secret Origin (both of which were penned by Geoff Johns...mmm). DC's canon isn't difficult for me to follow so long as don't think about it too much.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You can't be serious.
Yeah. Why?
I'll be the first one to say that DC's canon is a mess at times and one of the main reasons that new readers feel intimidated getting into them, but I've not really been personally put off due to the canon when it comes to understanding it. Liking the changes in canon, usually because some writer or editor has some personal preference, is another story entirely.
^ It's not about it being off-putting, it's that you're saying you can follow what's canon or not and it isn't difficult. You can't be serious.
Case in point: Last Son General Zod is the first time Superman ever met anyone named General Zod post-Infinite Crisis. That technically banishes For Tomorrow's Phantom Zone Zod from ever having existed. And maybe it banishes For Tomorrow entirely. It happened pre-Infinite Crisis, right? So why not? But then that would also undo the Phantom Zone crisis Superman created himself in For Tomorrow which ended up destroying his original Fortress of Solitude.
And him being in the new jungle Fortress of Solitude was a setup for Sacrifice, leading directly into Crisis of Conscience, which lead directly into Infinite Crisis. And, in any event, the events in For Tomorrow had to exist in one form or another since Equus shows up in Countdown fighting Karate Kid. So, what? Just strip out Superman's encounters with Phantom Zone Zod and leave everything else? That's retarded.
It gets even worse when you look at Russian Zod or Return to Krypton Zod. And Return to Krypton is actually where post-Crisis Krypto comes from before that got re-retconned. Part of what you said is absolutely true: as long as you don't think about it, whatever. You actually try to think about it and reconcile it and it's retarded.
Re: Iron Man vs. Superman
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
We all agree - or should - that Superman gets the majority on Tony. But how hard does Tony make him work for it?1st Scenario: Current Iron Man vs. Current Superman. Both characters are in their typical mindsets/personality. Neither character has any information on the other and the battle takes place in a populated New York City.
2nd Scenario: Iron Man vs. Superman. Both characters can draw upon their entire history of feats so long as they're canon. Both characters have common knowledge of the other.
3rd Scenario: Iron Man has access to any and all his armors he's ever used and gets 24 hours prep to devise a plan/attack method to beat Superman, barring high end artifacts such as the Infinity Gems. Superman is aware of the depth of Iron Man's intellect and resources, but does not actively prepare to face him.
Superman spite stomps in all matches.
Re: Re: Re: Iron Man vs. Superman
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Even when he fights in character and Iron Man has access to his entire armory and one sided prep?That's rhetorical, by the way.
Superman would definitely use his speed if he feels Ironman is getting the best of him (or sometimes just randomly).
Personally I don't think Ironman is durable enough to withstand Superman's blows. The Hulkbuster would increase durability but slow down maneuability.
I guess a stupid CIS on Superman would have a hard time with Iron Man with his best stuff.
Superman wins all three but works hard for 3.
Superman in one and two. Maybe three. In "For Tomorrow", Superman basically took on and defeated the natural forces of nature (Earth it's self). Anything Tony would need to create using Earth's natural resource or alien (not involving magic) would still be very hard pressed to defeat the likes of Superman.
Originally posted by shokosugi
Superman's greatest feats? cosmic armor supes or supes with sword of superman.
There is a Sword of Superman???????
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And best thread ever. Ironman wins 2 and 3.
Originally posted by Marvelknightthat makes no sense whatsoever, SM intimidated huge elemental golems and said he could destroy the planet, but weapons made from earthly materiasl can destroy the planet just the same and some can certainly destroy SM. technology, almost by definition, implies achieving that which brutes elements cant provide. it is utterly absurd to claim that a planet buster cannot be dropped by weaponry forged from materials coming from a planet, what matters is the tech employed and stark's best suits can probably defeat SM
Superman in one and two. Maybe three. In "For Tomorrow", Superman basically took on and defeated the natural forces of nature (Earth it's self). Anything Tony would need to create using Earth's natural resource or alien (not involving magic) would still be very hard pressed to defeat the likes of Superman.
Originally posted by 753
that makes no sense whatsoever, SM intimidated huge elemental golems and said he could destroy the planet, but weapons made from earthly materiasl can destroy the planet just the same and some can certainly destroy SM. technology, almost by definition, implies achieving that which brutes elements cant provide. it is utterly absurd to claim that a planet buster cannot be dropped by weaponry forged from materials coming from a planet, what matters is the tech employed and stark's best suits can probably defeat SM
Stark isn't taking Kal El. Every suit he built to fight beings Like Hulk didn't hold up all that well. He may be able built something to drain out the solar energy in Kal El, but I see Superman ending it fast before that would even be a factor. Iron Man just can't stand toe to toe with Superman....
Originally posted by Marvelknight
Stark isn't taking Kal El. Every suit he built to fight beings Like Hulk didn't hold up all that well. He may be able built something to drain out the solar energy in Kal El, but I see Superman ending it fast before that would even be a factor. Iron Man just can't stand toe to toe with Superman....
Iron Man's less specialized armors have lasted in prolonged conflict with beings like Hulk (whom he's beaten at least twice without Hulkbuster armor) and Thor.
Originally posted by the ninjak
There is a Sword of Superman???????HAHHAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAQHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH coughuougouog HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH !
And best thread ever. Ironman wins 2 and 3.
Yeah. it's powerful enough to break Superman's arms and legs.