people usually forget to specify which version of the character in a thread. if they dont specify its current. the problem with that is that when someone makes a superman vs thor thread later on without specifying. is that gonna mean current superman which is remake or original superman, since thats the version everyone is used to ?
thats where its gonna get confusing, so people need to start getting into the habbit with specifying which version.
Originally posted by King Kandy
People use basically featless characters all the time. Does it lead to good discussion? Usually not. Should they still be allowed to do it? Of course.I don't see any reason to apply a characters history if the comics themselves aren't doing it.
cosigned. But I don't have a stake in this forum so much anymore. Nice that it's being discussed though.
People just need to familiarize with DCU's characters and different eras.The 3 eras of DC.
1.Pre-Crisis
2.Pre-FlashPoint(which was referred to as Post-Crisis before)
3.Post-FlashPoint(which would be the current continuity in DCU coming in September)
Since DCU's Post-FlashPoint Characters doesn't have feats yet, whenever someone makes a thread saying Current Superman Vs this character.We should assume its Pre-FlashPoint/Post-Crisis Versions as a default since Post-FlashPoint characters are virtually zero on the feats department yet.Then when the Post-FlashPoint characters have enough showings, then that's the time they can be assumed as current.
Originally posted by Parmaniac
Just out of curiosity, cause I'm not really keeping up with DC recently, is DC storywise retconning everything like in the first crisis or did the editor just said "**** it it sucks we restart it"?
This will occur after FlashPoint.Here are the details.
I think we should wait until the #1 issues are all released and it'll become more obvious what approach to take. It could be more like Zero Hour and Infinite Crisis retcons, where histories are fudged (sometimes majorly) but more or less preserved. It could be more Crisis on Infinite Earths retcon, where nearly everyone has a clean slate.
If it's Zero Hour/Infinite Crisis, then we do what we've always done: ignore it completely out of convenience. If it's Crisis on Infinite Earths, then we denote the pre/post Flashpoint eras. Right now, it's looking like the latter. If that's the case, then so be it.
But I do think it'll be obvious when the #1 issues are released. With Brand New Day, it was obvious from the get-go that they fudged things but insisted that Spiderman has had his adventures, just not his marriage. And it was obvious with the Heroes Reborn #1 titles with it's fresh new take/clean slate history.
If we have to decide now, just do what we always do:
Originally posted by King KandyWe already differentiate "classic/current JMS" Wonder Woman. "Kid" Loki doesn't have any feats yet really, so we always debate about "classic" Loki. Same thing with "classic" Juggernaut. It's not like this concept is new to us or difficult to put into practice. We already do it more or less.
They should specify which one they are using.
I think we need to consider this a completely new continuity delineation like Pre and Post Crisis. Some characters are going to be relatively untouched by the change, but how to we as readers supposed know the minutia of what is or isn't excepted canon? Batman for example is supposed to be more or less the same... but Tim Drake is pretty much a completely different character, which by extension changes Batman's continuity and I really doubt DC is going to take the time to explain which parts of their shared mythos actually matter now. And it isn't like Drake is the only rebooted character that ties heavily into the Batman mythology. Unless it is printed in the pages of the new issues, we can't be sure of anything.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I think we need to consider this a completely new continuity delineation like Pre and Post Crisis. Some characters are going to be relatively untouched by the change, but how to we as readers supposed know the minutia of what is or isn't excepted canon? Batman for example is supposed to be more or less the same... but Tim Drake is pretty much a completely different character, which by extension changes Batman's continuity and I really doubt DC is going to take the time to explain which parts of their shared mythos actually matter now. And it isn't like Drake is the only rebooted character that ties heavily into the Batman mythology. Unless it is printed in the pages of the new issues, we can't be sure of anything.
Pretty much.
And like ODG said before, we already do this anyway as a rule.
I agree with ODG and KK, it's more or less what we've always done when retcons happen.
I'd like to point out Storm Watch characters will likely be hit harder since they'll be thrown into an entirely new continuity, which means Digi's respect threads are officially useless 😖hifty:
This thread raises the question of which different versions of each character "exist", obviously an exhaustive list would be impossible, but its part of what makes cannon rules hard.