Originally posted by Prep-Man
stfu. GEB solos, mxy can stalemate as well.
How does GEB solo? At best he was equal to the Presence, but we all saw with the Primal Monitor, that their are powers beyond the Presence and hence GEB.
Beyonder is comparable to the Primal Monitor. Just as the Presence and his creation were amoeba to the Primal Monitor, mainstream Marvel reality was to the Beyonder.
So Primal Monitor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Presence=GEB>God ST>>>>>Micheal=Lucifer.
HoM Wanda tore apart and remade the entire Marvel OMNIVERSE. Mxy did the same thing to the DC OMNIVERSE. Either of those two can solo the Beyonder, but everyone else on that list gets destroyed.
Originally posted by Cogito
Your argument is based entirely on the idea of the Beyonder and Primal Monitor being equivalent, and despite their seemingly similar natures, they are not.
They both regarded the mainstream multiverse of their respective companies as amoebas. They are similar enough for a comparison.
Beyonder was not omnipotent, as shown on panel. GEB is half an omnipotent, and as such is omnipotent itself until proven otherwise.
GEB and the Presence cannot be omnipotent because there exists something in DC continuity that DWARFS them in power.
Originally posted by zopzop
They both regarded the mainstream multiverse of their respective companies as amoebas. They are similar enough for a comparison.
That's ridiculous. Just because their respective multiverses are viewed as minuscule doesn't mean they're equivalent in power.
Originally posted by zopzop
GEB and the Presence cannot be omnipotent because there exists something in DC continuity that DWARFS them in power.
The Primal Monitor didn't exist at the same time as the GEB. GEB, as he was last portrayed, was omnipotent along with the Presence. Even if the Primal Monitor was more powerful though, the GEB is omnipotent within the DC multiverse. That's more than the Beyonder can say, going by feats.
Originally posted by zopzopThey both regarded the mainstream multiverse of their respective companies as amoebas. They are similar enough for a comparison.
GEB and the Presence cannot be omnipotent because there exists something in DC continuity that DWARFS them in power.
There were hints to that effect in Final Crisis where the Angels of Pax Dei fought alongside the Champions of the Monitors (Supermen) and responded to Nix Uotan's summons along with the Forever People (agents of the Source). Not even touching on the GLC's presence and their connection to the Light.
Going by Morrison's view I'd say he sees DC Cosmology as a kind of syncretic hydra of sorts with multiple heads representing the same body.
Originally posted by Cogito
That's ridiculous. Just because their respective multiverses are viewed as minuscule doesn't mean they're equivalent in power.
EXACTLY equivalent? No, I never said that. I said SIMILAR enough that we can make comparisons between them.
The Primal Monitor didn't exist at the same time as the GEB. GEB, as he was last portrayed, was omnipotent along with the Presence. Even if the Primal Monitor was more powerful though, the GEB is omnipotent within the DC multiverse. That's more than the Beyonder can say, going by feats.
Good grief. That doesn't change anything. Since the Presence (the GEB's equivalent) exists/existed at the time the Primal Monitor was introduced. And the Primal Monitor viewed the Presence and it's creation as an amoeba. Hence the Primal Monitor >>>>>>>>>>>>Presence=GEB.
If you really believe GEB has greater feats than the Beyonder you need to check his respect thread. NOTHING in Marvel was his equal at the time. He was literally above the rest of the Marvel multiverse combined. GEB met his match in the Presence.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
You know it is quite possible that the GEB, the Presence, and the Primal Monitor are all different facets of the same being.There were hints to that effect in Final Crisis where the Angels of Pax Dei fought alongside the Champions of the Monitors (Supermen) and responded to Nix Uotan's summons along with the Forever People (agents of the Source). Not even touching on the GLC's presence and their connection to the Light.
Going by Morrison's view I'd say he sees DC Cosmology as a kind of syncretic hydra of sorts with multiple heads representing the same body.
Very good thoughts here.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Going by Morrison's view I'd say he sees DC Cosmology as a kind of syncretic hydra of sorts with multiple heads representing the same body.
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No but really, there are strong hints to that effect, and against. I think everyone over at DC just makes up stuff without consulting each other. Either that or they're intentionally f***ing with us.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
You know it is quite possible that the GEB, the Presence, and the Primal Monitor are all different facets of the same being.
How could that be when the Primal Monitor wasn't even aware of the amoeba in his mist, until it had developed over the eons. If the Primal Monitor really was just another face the Presence wears, then how could it NOT be aware of it's own creation (the DC multiverse) until untold eons have passed?