Originally posted by truejedi
obviously not. since he was stopped. "nearly unstoppable" isn't a lot to go on.
Read it again. It said he was nearly unstoppable- meaning there was obviously some tiny chance of him being stopped by someone. And that someone was Revan.
I'm not saying that's a lot to go on. I'm merely responding to Lord Lucien's comment on the extent of the Star Forge's power enhancement on Malak. SW Databank stated that dark energy made Malak "nearly unstoppable."
Originally posted by Korto VosNearly unstoppable versus whom? Was he nearly unstoppable versus anyone ever? Or was it just specifically that fight with Revan? Within context, Darth Maul would have been "nearly unstoppable" in his duels with Qui-Gon in TPM, but he certainly would have been stopped had he faced Luke Skywalker, or Caedus etc.
Read it again. It said he was nearly unstoppable- meaning there was obviously some tiny chance of him being stopped by someone. And that someone was Revan.I'm not saying that's a lot to go on. I'm merely responding to Lord Lucien's comment on the extent of the Star Forge's power enhancement on Malak. SW Databank stated that dark energy made Malak "nearly unstoppable."
So if Revan nearly didn't stop Malak, would Bane have stopped him less nearly? Or Exar Kun? Would it have been more nearly? Etc.
The KotOR characters lack quantitative statistics and definition. Their styles, limits, foibles, and tendencies in battle are all unknown compared to the fighters of the rest of the mythos. It's why we prefer avoiding them in a vs. duel. At least until Revan is released and sheds some poorly written light.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Nearly unstoppable versus whom? Was he nearly unstoppable versus anyone ever? Or was it just specifically that fight with Revan? Within context, Darth Maul would have been "nearly unstoppable" in his duels with Qui-Gon in TPM, but he certainly would have been stopped had he faced Luke Skywalker, or Caedus etc.So if Revan nearly didn't stop Malak, would Bane have stopped him less nearly? Or Exar Kun? Would it have been more nearly? Etc.
The KotOR characters lack quantitative statistics and definition. Their styles, limits, foibles, and tendencies in battle are all unknown compared to the fighters of the rest of the mythos. It's why we prefer avoiding them in a vs. duel. At least until Revan is released and sheds some poorly written light.
As I said before, it's not a lot to go on. However, I agree with your argument that it's all relative.
I'm just going off the assumption that whenever somebody generically writes/says that "X is nearly unstoppable," it implies that it would take a very powerful "Y" to stop X.
I think whoever wrote that article simply wanted to convey that Malak became very powerful, and that it took a very powerful someone to defeat him.
Wait. Wait...
I have it on very good authority
Spoiler:that Revan stomps.
SW Legend
These show how he would react in a combat situation. By using a combination of force powers and saber combat. Also close analysis of the pics show Revan is using an entirely new form that he invinted. It undoubtedly is far superior to all others.
He also exhibited vast telekenitic abilites during his training on Dantooine. Able to levitate himself and hurl several objects around him. Also that one Master said his potential was unlimited.
Finally, he defeated numerous skilled people. And the KotOR CG gives him lots of powers and most importantly make him a level 20.
Here's some excerpts about what Karpyshyn is saying about Revan's power:
To put it bluntly, Revan in the book will not be the uber-powered death machine you controlled at the end of the video game. You might have min-maxed your character to smack Darth Malak down in seconds without breaking a sweat, but in a book that battle would have been a brutal, hard fought affair spread over multiple pages.
In a video game it’s fun to kill hundreds of Sith Masters, but in a book that would just be boring. It would suck out any drama or conflict or tension, and as an author I have no interest in writing that.
Now, I suspect some of you are already getting worked up about how I’m ruining SW canon by nerfing the Revan from the game. Well, tough. The game was a game – the powers and abilities you had in it were ways to make the game fun. They were representative of Revan’s power level versus enemies faced in the game, but they weren’t a blueprint of his abilities in the persistent fiction of the Star Wars universe. That doesn’t mean I’m going to ignore Revan’s accomplishments as detailed in the game. The high level events and history are canon. Revan did defeat Mandalore and Darth Malak. He was an incredibly powerful Jedi. But a powerful Jedi in story terms (films, TV, books) is very different from a powerful Jedi in game terms.
Btw, he thinks Darth Bane, Darth Revan, and Darth Vader are evenly matched.
Drew's spiel is mainly to differentiate between uber game mechanic Revan and realistic Revan who is mortal and has failings, even if he's head and shoulders above everyone else in his era by most tellings.
Revan's feats consist of defeating Mandalore (Similar to Ulic), outdueling the foremost Echani duelist in the universe, beating Malak when Malak had, by Drew's own admission, a home court advantage with the SF and the fallen Jedi fueling him, he survived and thrived on Malachor when even Kreia was overcome, and he singlehandedly (Yes, without Carth the Unstoppable) defeated not one, but two terentateks.
I'd say he's badass enough to potentially wipe the floor with most comers, but until the book has feats to satisfy all objective argument, Revan fights an uphill battle proving he's better than Malek, who, iirc, Force TK'd a starship of considerable size and gave Palpatine a heart attack. And this place loves it some Palpatine.
Agreed, I guess we have to wait for the novel...
...If I have to choose, I'd say that Marek has shown greater Force accomplishments and would win in that department (though it would be close). However, in lightsabers, I think Revan is superior. He outdueled Yusanis and the fact that the hide of a tarentatek is highly resistant to Force attacks would mean that he must have killed the pair as a result of his lightsaber prowess.
All-out I can't decide.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
How much lightsaber prowess would you need against a semi-sentient creature who is not also armed with a lightsaber?
This is no mere rancor. This is a tarentatek. Apart from its extremely violent nature coupled with tremendous power, exceptional defense, and tusks and claws that are venomous, they are most importantly highly resistant to Force attacks. They seem to do especially well against those that are Force-sensitive.
Jedi usually had to travel in groups, and unite in the Force, just to defeat one. Revan went into Naga Sadow's tomb and killed two by himself.
I agree, the tarentatek isn't completely sentient, and not armed with a lightsaber, but it's one of the most vicious creatures in the Star Wars universe, and everything about it suggests that it's not an easy kill.
Originally posted by Korto VosNo they wouldn't be, but I doubt very much you had to have a particularly masterful skill in saber combat to kill it, seeing as how the creatures didn't have lightsabers themselves. Or even lightsaber-resistant flesh.
This is no mere rancor. This is a tarentatek. Apart from its extremely violent nature coupled with tremendous power, exceptional defense, and tusks and claws that are venomous, they are most importantly [B]highly resistant to Force attacks. They seem to do especially well against those that are Force-sensitive.Jedi usually had to travel in groups, and unite in the Force, just to defeat one. Revan went into Naga Sadow's tomb and killed two by himself.
I agree, the tarentatek isn't completely sentient, and not armed with a lightsaber, but it's one of the most vicious creatures in the Star Wars universe, and everything about it suggests that it's not an easy kill. [/B]
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
No they wouldn't be, but I doubt very much you had to have a particularly masterful skill in saber combat to kill it, seeing as how the creatures didn't have lightsabers themselves. Or even lightsaber-resistant flesh.
I certainly don't think a Jedi with average skill in saber combat would stand a chance against one of these beasts. A terentatek seems to require more than just one or two well-placed lightsaber blows, and whoever is fighting it has to avoid its poisonous tusks and claws while the creature is going insanely berserk.
A difference in opinion between both of us, of course.
Still, fighting two terentateks at the same time, and coming out the victor says something.