Originally posted by quanchi112
That's spotty thinking as usual. Not just basing it off of this I mean hell, Thor himself minus the odinpower killed Hulk, wolverine, etc. which Odin himself would fail to do without his vaunted odinpower.Thor damaged cap's shield, dominated earth, killed his friends while depowered, and one shotted the desak destroyer armor someone who is supposed to be immune to these godly energies. Odin's in for a beatdown. Once again you abandon Thor.
In what way was that spotty thinking? Your basing your entire opinion off of Thor defeating the Desak Destroyer in comparison to Odin's interaction with the Destroyer in the JIM annual. Which is ridiculous as Jurgens clearly has a vastly different opinion of where the Destroyer ranks in comparison to the Odin Power. As a matter of fact, he had Odin easily dispose of it.
This line of thinking goes both ways by the way. King Thor couldn't time travel to the an exact point in time without aid which is something Odin could easily do under Jurgens.
And I have to say, that first bit is incredibly stupid even for you. Odin without the Odin Power is nothing, as it is his very life blood, it is him. Also, if we stripped Thor of his entire connection to Odin, he'd most likely be less than what Odin was before he came into possession of the Odin Power.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusThis isna't about hwo is better at time traveling it's about fighting.
In what way was that spotty thinking? Your basing your entire opinion off of Thor defeating the Desak Destroyer in comparison to Odin's interaction with the Destroyer in the JIM annual. Which is ridiculous as Jurgens clearly has a vastly different opinion of where the Destroyer ranks in comparison to the Odin Power. As a matter of fact, he had Odin easily dispose of it.This line of thinking goes both ways by the way. King Thor couldn't time travel to the an exact point in time without aid which is something Odin could easily do under Jurgens.
And I have to say, that first bit is incredibly stupid even for you. Odin without the Odin Power is nothing, as it is his very life blood, it is him. Also, if we stripped Thor of his entire connection to Odin, he'd most likely be less than what Odin was before he came into possession of the Odin Power.
If Odin was fighting at Thor's power levels he'd get beaten is the point. You knew what connection I was trying to make.
Odin has never done that to the destroyer so unless you have proof in the form of a comic that Odin could replicate it prove or else concede.
Originally posted by quanchi112Odin has finesse, Thor doesn't. Odin can simply redirect Thor's energies back at him 10 fold. Odin can enchant the mjolnir back to him where he would use it against Thor. Odin can block, absorb, or redirect any beam sent to him by Thor with ease.
This isna't about hwo is better at time traveling it's about fighting.If Odin was fighting at Thor's power levels he'd get beaten is the point. You knew what connection I was trying to make.
Odin has never done that to the destroyer so unless you have proof in the form of a comic that Odin could replicate it prove or else concede.
It's all about finesse and experience, not raw power.
Originally posted by h1a8None of what you say matters here as this Thor has access to the same power Odin does so he can't beat him unless he does so in combat. That being said Thor is the greater warrior and his destroyer feat is something Odin has never been shown capable of to this date.
Odin has finesse, Thor doesn't. Odin can simply redirect Thor's energies back at him 10 fold. Odin can enchant the mjolnir back to him where he would use it against Thor. Odin can block, absorb, or redirect any beam sent to him by Thor with ease.It's all about finesse and experience, not raw power.
Originally posted by quanchi112Having the same power doesn't mean you know how to use it in finesse.
None of what you say matters here as this Thor has access to the same power Odin does so he can't beat him unless he does so in combat. That being said Thor is the greater warrior and his destroyer feat is something Odin has never been shown capable of to this date.
What is Thor going to do to Odin without Mjolnir? Odin didn't have Mjolnir against Destroyer like Thor had. Even so, Odin can enchant and remove enchantments with mere gestures.
Have you ever seen a situation where one character was far more powerful than another but the lesser one owned the greater due to more skill and finesse?
Originally posted by h1a8Thor was without his hammer for like 100 years. Thor is a better warrior than Odin so he's more formidable with equal power and with his hammer it's too much.
Having the same power doesn't mean you know how to use it in finesse.What is Thor going to do to Odin without Mjolnir? Odin didn't have Mjolnir against Destroyer like Thor had. Even so, Odin can enchant and remove enchantments with mere gestures.
Have you ever seen a situation where one character was far more powerful than another but the lesser one owned the greater due to more skill and finesse?
You do know that Odin was the one who enchanted Mjolnir right? He has consistently shown to be it's master.
And I noticed you think it's energy absorption would be a huge advantage. Unfortunately, Odin created that enchantment, and clearly did not limit it only to the hammer, as his Scepter of Power illustrated.
Originally posted by quanchi112
This isna't about hwo is better at time traveling it's about fighting.If Odin was fighting at Thor's power levels he'd get beaten is the point. You knew what connection I was trying to make.
Odin has never done that to the destroyer so unless you have proof in the form of a comic that Odin could replicate it prove or else concede.
You tried to illustrate Thor's superiority by using the Destroyer Armor as a measuring stick. I just proved that under the very same writer, Odin could do what Thor was unable to. At bare minimum, that illustrates a superior mastery over the power.
I haven't even mentioned Oeming's run yet which had the Odin Force leave Thor due to his unworthiness and lack of wisdom in comparison to Odin.
There is none, but fortunately, those aren't my only two options.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusYes, with the odinpower which Thor how has claim to. Boom. Odin doesn't use it as often or as effectively/consistently as Thor has throughout his lifetime.
You do know that Odin was the one who enchanted Mjolnir right? He has consistently shown to be it's master.And I noticed you think it's energy absorption would be a huge advantage. Unfortunately, Odin created that enchantment, and clearly did not limit it only to the hammer, as his Scepter of Power illustrated.
You tried to illustrate Thor's superiority by using the Destroyer Armor as a measuring stick. I just proved that under the very same writer, Odin could do what Thor was unable to. At bare minimum, that illustrates a superior mastery over the power.
I haven't even mentioned Oeming's run yet which had the Odin Force leave Thor due to his unworthiness and lack of wisdom in comparison to Odin.
There is none, but fortunately, those aren't my only two options.
You are speculating. There isn't any proof Odin can replicate the feat so you have nothing. We do have Odin admitting on panel the destroyer can kill him unlike on Thor who just tanked incinerator blasts which killed Loki.
Thor is greater than Odin. Odin always knew in the end Thor was and always still will be. Lucky for you Odin will probably always be the all father but when things need done it's usually Thor who has to get involved to change them. Both obviously need the other at times but RK Thor was wiser and greater than Odin has ever been under his own power imo.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, with the odinpower which Thor how has claim to. Boom. Odin doesn't use it as often or as effectively/consistently as Thor has throughout his lifetime.You are speculating. There isn't any proof Odin can replicate the feat so you have nothing. We do have Odin admitting on panel the destroyer can kill him unlike on Thor who just tanked incinerator blasts which killed Loki.
Thor is greater than Odin. Odin always knew in the end Thor was and always still will be. Lucky for you Odin will probably always be the all father but when things need done it's usually Thor who has to get involved to change them. Both obviously need the other at times but RK Thor was wiser and greater than Odin has ever been under his own power imo.
You are not thinking about the fight, but rather power levels.
If they fought, Odin can absorb Thor's energy. If Odin wanted, he can send it back 10 fold. How is Thor going to defend against that?
And Thor did what he did against Destroyer because of the hammer. Without the hammer would have been a different story. So stop using feats that won't translate into the battle against Odin.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, with the odinpower which Thor how has claim to. Boom. Odin doesn't use it as often or as effectively/consistently as Thor has throughout his lifetime.
You're argument was that energy absorption would be a large advantage. It's stupid and ignores Odin's capabilities.
Claim? The Odin Power is a nigh sentient force that is a part of Odin. Hell, it's shown that it can even abandon Thor, in order to fulfill Odin's plan.
Why would you even bring up claims? It's like you want me to kick your ass.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You are speculating. There isn't any proof Odin can replicate the feat so you have nothing. We do have Odin admitting on panel the destroyer can kill him unlike on Thor who just tanked incinerator blasts which killed Loki.
I'm telling you that if you substituted Odin for King Thor, he'd accomplish the Destroyer busting feat.
And like I said, if you want to make comparisons, King Thor could not perform a task that Odin could. Odin is also a master sorcerer and possesses the knowledge of the Runes.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor is greater than Odin. Odin always knew in the end Thor was and always still will be. Lucky for you Odin will probably always be the all father but when things need done it's usually Thor who has to get involved to change them. Both obviously need the other at times but RK Thor was wiser and greater than Odin has ever been under his own power imo.
How can you say so much and make no point at all? Nothing there is relevant to the conversation at hand.
This is tiring Quan. Get a new shtick. It's not even scan worthy.
Originally posted by h1a8Thor can absorb and send it right back at him with mjolnir. Guess who has more practice redirecting someone's energy attacks Thor or Odin.
You are not thinking about the fight, but rather power levels.
If they fought, Odin can absorb Thor's energy. If Odin wanted, he can send it back 10 fold. How is Thor going to defend against that?And Thor did what he did against Destroyer because of the hammer. Without the hammer would have been a different story. So stop using feats that won't translate into the battle against Odin.
Thor has the hammer here so it's relevant.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusNo, it wasn't I just argued the scepter is no advantage over Thor's hammer which he uses more often, with greater skill, and with greater consistency.
You're argument was that energy absorption would be a large advantage. It's stupid and ignores Odin's capabilities.Claim? The Odin Power is a nigh sentient force that is a part of Odin. Hell, it's shown that it can even abandon Thor, in order to fulfill Odin's plan.
Why would you even bring up claims? It's like you want me to kick your ass.
I'm telling you that if you substituted Odin for King Thor, he'd accomplish the Destroyer busting feat.
And like I said, if you want to make comparisons, King Thor could not perform a task that Odin could. Odin is also a master sorcerer and possesses the knowledge of the Runes.
How can you say so much and make no point at all? Nothing there is relevant to the conversation at hand.
This is tiring Quan. Get a new shtick. It's not even scan worthy.
King Thor had all of his odinpower and isn't leaving him here.
You're speculating whereas I have proof on my side. That's the difference between you and I whereas I argue what the comics give me you try to h1 yourself out of the debate and start just making things up and acting like they count.
K ? So how is this giving Odin an edge in someone with equal power here ? Thor has consistently defeated Loki a master sorcerer at his classic levels so really how does that help Odin against Thor who is far more combat effective ?
The only advantage Odin usually has is his power but if you put him up against someone with equal power and greater skill he loses. How can you reach any other conclusion ?
My point is simple with equal power Thor wins and by power feats against the same enemy Thor has proved far more powerful than Odin against the Destroyer let alone the fact Desak was in it who was supposedly immune to godly energies.
Game.
Set.
Match.
Originally posted by CPT Space BombHe doesn't have to be as good or as wise as Odin to win a fight. The guy knows how to fight and the hammer feat into the desak destroyer shows Odin is in trouble.
If this was a H2H fight Thor would win. But that will not be the case. Thor was never as good with the Odin-force as Odin, and that is the huge difference. And I love Thor, but he's only been on or above Odin's level when He was Rune Lord Thor.