Originally posted by carver9War Hulk did better against Juggernaut which is a direct comparison. I myself view WW Hulk as superior to war hulk but many disagree and neither is provable.
Why can't it be proven? When have any incarnations of the Hulks held a Planet captive like WWH did. Like I said before, it was stated numerous of times that WWH was the cream of the crop vs any other Hulk.
Originally posted by h1a8
I don't care where it was stated. The proof is in the pudding.Onslaught Hulk is number one by far then comes War Hulk who had Celestial amping which overridden Juggs unstoppable enchantment.
WWH couldn't stop Juggs at all, so how can't be greater than War Hulk.
WWH did stop him actually and WWH just got out of a fight against the entire XMen who was using abilities to rid him of his healing factor.
Then you fail to mention that Juggernaut pushed War Hulk at least a mile before gained the leverage of stopping him. Juggernaut couldn't hardly budge WWH.
Onslaught Hulk is "Mindless Hulk" and Mindless Hulk isn't on WWH level. Strange himself has met Mindless Hulk and still stated that WWH is at a powerlevel he has never seen before.
You have nothing to help ya out buddy.
Originally posted by carver9WW Hulk was still losing ground whereas War stopped him dead in his tracks and Juggs looked petrified of him.
WWH did stop him actually and WWH just got out of a fight against the entire XMen who was using abilities to rid him of his healing factor.Then you fail to mention that Juggernaut pushed War Hulk at least a mile before gained the leverage of stopping him. Juggernaut couldn't hardly budge WWH.
Onslaught Hulk is "Mindless Hulk" and Mindless Hulk isn't on WWH level. Strange himself has met Mindless Hulk and still stated that WWH is at a powerlevel he has never seen before.
You have nothing to help ya out buddy.
Juggs wasn't scared of ww hulk he was of war hulk. War also stopped him whereas ww hulk slowed his momentum to that of a crawl but was still losing inches.
Originally posted by quanchi112
War Hulk did better against Juggernaut which is a direct comparison. I myself view WW Hulk as superior to war hulk but many disagree and neither is provable.
War Hulk got dragged a mile before gaining the momentum to stop Juggernaut. War Hulk also had a weapon against Juggernaut and the fight wasn't that much of a difference at all. The only difference is WWH didn't have any rest or sleep and was having a continuous battle and Juggernaut and War Hulk was fresh and new, ready for a battle. War Hulk had gadgets and weapons, WWH did everything with his fist.
Originally posted by carver9
WWH did stop him actually and WWH just got out of a fight against the entire XMen who was using abilities to rid him of his healing factor.Then you fail to mention that Juggernaut pushed War Hulk at least a mile before gained the leverage of stopping him. Juggernaut couldn't hardly budge WWH.
Onslaught Hulk is "Mindless Hulk" and Mindless Hulk isn't on WWH level. Strange himself has met Mindless Hulk and still stated that WWH is at a powerlevel he has never seen before.
You have nothing to help ya out buddy.
The problem is it's pretty conclusive that War Hulk stopped Juggernaut it was pretty much the point of the whole arc.What happened in WWH is not conclusive they locked up from their its open to many interpretations.Gage wrote this arc and was asked about this he gave multiply answers as to what happened depending on who asked.
1.Hulk slowed Juggernaut.
2.Hulk redirected his momentum downwards
3.They locked up in a test of strength
You can make an argument for both side where as its pretty cut and dry for War Hulk.
Originally posted by quanchi112
WW Hulk was still losing ground whereas War stopped him dead in his tracks and Juggs looked petrified of him.Juggs wasn't scared of ww hulk he was of war hulk. War also stopped him whereas ww hulk slowed his momentum to that of a crawl but was still losing inches.
A couple of inches. War Hulk got dragged through a desert before he gained enough energy to stop Juggs. Do you not see the difference?
War Hulk had a weapon and no, Jugs was scared, he was shocked. Juggernaut was SLOWLY pushing WWH l, he dragged War Hulk across the desert before War Hulk got the chance to stop him.
Originally posted by SuperiorTech
The problem is it's pretty conclusive that War Hulk stopped Juggernaut it was pretty much the point of the whole arc.What happened in WWH is not conclusive they locked up from their its open to many interpretations.Gage wrote this arc and was asked about this he gave multiply answers as to what happened depending on who asked.1.Hulk slowed Juggernaut.
2.Hulk redirected his momentum downwards
3.They locked up in a test of strengthYou can make an argument for both side where as its pretty cut and dry for War Hulk.
That one ft doesn't make War Hulk more powerful than WWH because we would never know what would have happened. Basing it off of other fts...WWH is above War Hulk.
Originally posted by carver9Yes, one guy completely stopped juggs momentum and one guy didn't. War hulk did scare and shock him at the same time. We didn't get to see enough of war hulk though but what we did see showed him to be a badass.
A couple of inches. War Hulk got dragged through a desert before he gained enough energy to stop Juggs. Do you not see the difference?War Hulk had a weapon and no, Jugs was scared, he was shocked. Juggernaut was SLOWLY pushing WWH l, he dragged War Hulk across the desert before War Hulk got the chance to stop him.
Originally posted by carver9
That one ft doesn't make War Hulk more powerful than WWH because we would never know what would have happened. Basing it off of other fts...WWH is above War Hulk.
I never claimed he was I just think that's not the feat you should use if you want to proved he is superior.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, one guy completely stopped juggs momentum and one guy didn't. War hulk did scare and shock him at the same time. We didn't get to see enough of war hulk though but what we did see showed him to be a badass.
I agree, he was badass, I just don't think that ft is a usable source for the two. War Hulk also ran through absorbing man like he was nothing as well and he one handed a pyramid. He's up there with WWH but he isn't his equal or superior imo.
Originally posted by Sr J-BiebYou didn't cover the latter. Thanos didn't take the type of hits Thor was giving to Surfer and the others. He slammed on them. I didn't see any slams on Thanos.
Holy shit use paragraphs when you write posts. Just a big wall of text that I'm not going to try and break upDon't lie to me. You argued that everyone was fighting dumb and it doesn't count. Then in an attempt to cover your ass you said that if they weren't fighting dumb, that Thanos didn't take good hits.
I covered both of those, and attacked you. No "waist" of time there. Actually, there was a waste of time since I'm talking to a wall right now
Magus didn't want to kill or ko Thanos. That statement is true. Who cares about anything else? It makes the feat unquantifiable and not usuable.We're supposed to assume Magus greatly weakened himself because Thanos didn't die? I mean, that's your only real reason really. Keep spamming "HE WERE WAITING ON ADMISSION THOUGH!" like it means anything. Like it ever meant anything anywhere.
Thanos was stunned from the punch or rather I should say rocked momentarily. Look at Thanos face. From his expression the punch didn't feel nice at all. But it didn't put him completely down.How in the hell did Thanos falter? The guy was holding Mar-Vell up, screamed at him, and released a blast. He got punched in the face and nothing happened.
It's the truth. You must prove Thanos blunt force durability being far greater than Novas. Till then it is just a little greater.
lol at Thanos blunt force durablity being a little bit higher than Nova's. You really have no idea what you're talking about at all times. We could be discussing lamps, and you'd try and tell everyone that they cause black holes.
He knocked Nova laterally more distance away. Thanos was still in the same spot. Thanos recovered quicker because both he is more durable and that he was in the same spot after being hit.
Also lol at downward force causing you to retaliate quicker. Downward force like that would have caused him to turn a little and spin his head out of the way leaving him nowhere close for a counter attack if it did anything at all, maybe an overhand actually. With the type of punch he threw at Nova, a counter attack could have been a hook, which is a much better option.
Magus threw a punch at Thanos in the back of his head. You are so bias towards Thanos that not only you have to use the term haymaker but you have to use it in plural. It wasn't a haymaker at all but a straight punch. I'm not convinced dude, no matter how you word the feat. Thanos was still rocked like hell anyway while Magus wasn't even using the full power of the IG. So you expect me to believe that not only Magus was using the full power of the IG on Thanos in an attempt to kill him but no other herald level being would have survived the punch as well?
Also lol at you ignoring Magus throwing haymakers at Thanos to the back of his head if you're going to bring up "downward force" punches.
He can't have the feats because they are not great feats. PG Thor wasn't operating at more than 2x strength and he didn't hit Thanos with the hammer good enough. The Magus feat isn't a good one either. Magus didn't use the full power on Thanos combined with the fact he didn't want to even ko him, let alone kill him.Ya, you argued that you can limit yourself while mad, but what you didn't do, was do it successfully.
So let me get this straight, it not only basically never happened if Magus was limiting himself because we don't know how strong it was, but it also never happened if Magus was at full power? So it never happened either way? Oh this is rich. Thanos isn't allowed feats according to you, he can't have the Magus feat, and he can't have the WM Thor feat... and the only reason why is because it goes against your theories (and my, what theories they are). I get you don't like getting proven wrong, but this is a little ridiculous, of course Thanos has no blunt force feats when everyone is going to get taken away
I thought the "no bias claims" rule was in effect on this forum.
I didn't add anything. Magus wanted Thanos to admit he was telling lies. Thus it is clear as day he didn't want to kill nor ko him.Of course you don't see how you defeated yourself. You have no qualms about being a hypocrite. It doesn't effect you.
But just because, I might as well explain what you did.
You said we can't add or subtract what happened. Yet, your argument is that Magus (although never stated) was holding back or Magus (although never stated) was limiting the gems. You went directly against what you said when you added in things that never happened on panel. Even a 6 and a half year old down syndrome kid can see the hypocrisy.No, Thor has never shattered a planet. But no other herald has cracked Celestial armor, or cracked Galactus armor.
Right, Magus wasn't hitting as hard as Sentry or Thor... did you miss the whole part where you just said Thanos actually limiting himself smashed Cap's shield and you said this was "off the chain"? Thanos stating he is limiting himself > Magus never stating he's limiting himself?
Originally posted by carver9I agree but it's subjective either way you view these two.
I agree, he was badass, I just don't think that ft is a usable source for the two. War Hulk also ran through absorbing man like he was nothing as well and he one handed a pyramid. He's up there with WWH but he isn't his equal or superior imo.
Originally posted by h1a8
A Celestial amping Hulk along with anger amping Hulk is greater than just anger amping Hulk.
Hulk didn't need the Celestial tech... The only thing that did was help him control his power. It has been stated that Hulk power comes from a pocket dimension (think I'm saying that right) and it grants him an unlimited source of power. The Celestial tech didn't amp him, it aided him in control his powers.
Current WWH had complete control of this power and is doing things that War Hulk never did or done. He had 2 fights, that's not enough to put him over WWH.
Originally posted by carver9I don't know Carv. You may have to prove that. I always thought the tech made Hulk amp more per anger unit increased. But before that, you must clear up "Control his powers". How can controlling your powers make you stronger?
Hulk didn't need the Celestial tech... The only thing that did was help him control his power. It has been stated that Hulk power comes from a pocket dimension (think I'm saying that right) and it grants him an unlimited source of power. The Celestial tech didn't amp him, it aided him in control his powers.Current WWH had complete control of this power and is doing things that War Hulk never did or done. He had 2 fights, that's not enough to put him over WWH.
Originally posted by h1a8
You didn't cover the latter. Thanos didn't take the type of hits Thor was giving to Surfer and the others. He slammed on them. I didn't see any slams on Thanos. Magus didn't want to kill or ko Thanos. That statement is true. Who cares about anything else? It makes the feat unquantifiable and not usuable. Thanos was stunned from the punch or rather I should say rocked momentarily. Look at Thanos face. From his expression the punch didn't feel nice at all. But it didn't put him completely down. It's the truth. You must prove Thanos blunt force durability being far greater than Novas. Till then it is just a little greater. He knocked Nova laterally more distance away. Thanos was still in the same spot. Thanos recovered quicker because both he is more durable and that he was in the same spot after being hit. Magus threw a punch at Thanos in the back of his head. You are so bias towards Thanos that not only you have to use the term haymaker but you have to use it in plural. It wasn't a haymaker at all but a straight punch. I'm not convinced dude, no matter how you word the feat. Thanos was still rocked like hell anyway while Magus wasn't even using the full power of the IG. So you expect me to believe that not only Magus was using the full power of the IG on Thanos in an attempt to kill him but no other herald level being would have survived the punch as well? He can't have the feats because they are not great feats. PG Thor wasn't operating at more than 2x strength and he didn't hit Thanos with the hammer good enough. The Magus feat isn't a good one either. Magus didn't use the full power on Thanos combined with the fact he didn't want to even ko him, let alone kill him. I didn't add anything. Magus wanted Thanos to admit he was telling lies. Thus it is clear as day he didn't want to kill nor ko him.
I didn't say Magus didn't hit as hard as Thor or Sentry. He could have but Thanos should be able to take at least one hit from Thor or Sentry.
Cracking a Celestials armor doesn't compare to busting a planet dude.
As far as I know a Celestials armor isn't as durable as adamantium in the blunt force area.
Holy shit that made me laugh. It took you that long while actively posting to come up with that?
Slammed on them? Still don't know what that's supposed to mean. Either way, Thanos took big hits and didn't end up sprawled on the floor like everyone else.
Magus didn't want to kill Thanos because... h1 the vulcan data says so? Good enough for everyone I guess. And it doesn't count because you said so too.
What are you even talking about? Thanos was rocked there because of his face? Didn't look affected at all to me...
Well, if that's the face of Thanos being rocked, then look at how rocked he is here in almost every panel!
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/13/ti4p23.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/525/ti4p24.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/195/ti4p26.jpg/
lol at having to prove Thanos' blunt force durability is far greater than Nova's. Well since taking shots from Tyrant, PG Thor, IG Magus, his doppleganger, etc don't count right? Never happened? Guess I can't prove it.
I find it even funnier how you called me bias in the same post you said this.
This isn't about what Mar-Vell did to them, this is about you saying that downward force is easier to counter... which is flat out ****ing wrong.\
And Thanos recovered quicker because Mar-Vell did shit all to him. That's why Thanos recovered quicker... it was because Mar-Vell didn't do anything to him, imagine that.
You caught me in a typo, congrats. Only thing you've actually proven.
Um yes, haymaker, straight punch, full power punch, whatever you want to call it... to the back of his head. Yes, Thanos was rocked against Magus not holding back, but he never went out. All I'm saying about that feat really is that Thanos took punches from a high level being and never went out. I'm not saying he went all out, or tried to molest Thanos, I'm saying he hit him hard while mad. But I find your explanations completely out of the ballpark insane, and in no way happened in the comic, so here we are.
I believe everyone else would have been KO'ed, yes. Not sure how Thanos (who's been KO'ed twice in comics, three times if you count SG) not being KO'ed goes against that.
He can't have the feats because you hate Thanos. No need to lie to me.
Ya, Thanos standing against an amped Thor who unamped stomped every notable herald level at the time isn't a good feat... GENIUS!
Thanos taking punches from the most powerful being in the universe at the time is no good... GENIUSER!
I also find it funny how you blatantly ignored YOURSELF saying that we can't add or subtract things in comics, yet you state Thor isn't more than twice as powerful, and you're still going on about the Magus thing. Are you only kept around to make everyone else look good? Serious question. This is astounding to me that you've only gotten worse over the years... meh, around the same, sorry.
Oh but you did.
Yup clear as day he was holding back like it never stated in the comic. Thor isn't more than twice his normal self. Adding things in 101
Let me repeat myself:
"did you miss the whole part where you just said Thanos actually limiting himself smashed Cap's shield and you said this was "off the chain"? Thanos stating he is limiting himself > Magus never stating he's limiting himself?"
Originally posted by h1a8
Thanos turned off sensory input, his power was still off the chain as the feats he had shown (like against Cap's shield). I don't see how that is depowering the shit out of oneself.
lol at Thanos should be able to take at least one hit from Sentry or Thor. You really hate Thanos don't you? Might as well go around threads saying Superman should be able to take at least one hit from Wonder Woman
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I'm kind of sad I'm leaving tomorrow, since I want to see what sort of crazy-shit-that-makes-no-sense-at-all you come up with next
Originally posted by h1a8
You have to learn to read context better. First of all Thor was slamming on those heroes (they were also fighting stupid and jobbing seriously). Thor only managed to jab Thanos with the hammer. All slams by Thor was blocked by force fields by Thanos. Second, no one knows how much stronger PG Thor was over Thor. So any power level assigned to him is pure speculation. IMO, PG Thor was a little less than 2x a serious Thor in strength. Third, I'm referring to other comics where Thor faltered Thanos.
Can you stop mentioning Thor in your posts? Like forever? I have no choice but to read posts that heavily involve him and just skimming your shit has caused me pain.
And I don't know what your definition of a jab is but this doesn't fit mine:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThanosvsThor8.jpg
They weren't excessively amped energy strikes or anything but he was hitting Thanos square in the face.
Originally posted by h1a8
Thor doesn't hit the hardest of all the heralds, he can't shatter a planet with a blow like some other heralds can. Magus with the IG is above Sentry or Thor but his punches on Thanos were not above theirs necessarily.
Thor doesn't have to be the stronger than all Heralds to hit harder than all Heralds. Which he does.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Also, I hope you realize that Thanos had to specifically depower himself quite a bit to still be way above all the heroes. Magus didn't depower himself. Magus threw a haymaker at Thanos. Holding back!
To be fair, Thanos cut himself off from the all knowing portion of his power set.
