Classic Demogorge vs Kubik...

Originally posted by Simbon
Look, if no one can provide Kubik feats from comics other than the ones Kubik has appeared in, I don't see what evidence they have that would put him above Demogorge, or spiderman. Kubik's absence from the issues he never appeared in speaks volumes.

Kubik has appeared in various issues of the FF and in FF Annuals and a few times in the Avengers.

In the issues he's appeared in, I wouldn't place him above Demogorge. Beating ONE HALF of a cube being isn't really as impressive as wiping out the Elder Gods, swatting a small army of Death Gods in their seat of power, wiping out a small army of Sun and Thunder Gods, and making Odin panic and summoning the Council Elite for a meeting.

Originally posted by Simbon
Look, if no one can provide Kubik feats from comics other than the ones Kubik has appeared in, I don't see what evidence they have that would put him above Demogorge, or spiderman. Kubik's absence from the issues he never appeared in speaks volumes.

Originally posted by zopzop
He beat HALF a cube being and warped his "universe" 20 years ago. What else?

Also, half that cube being caused multiversal damage with lightning face. And he had a pretty sick bowl costume
He's got 2 really high feats, so that's all we're really given. Simbon's post was pretty perfect though

Originally posted by zopzop
Kubik has appeared in various issues of the FF and in FF Annuals and a few times in the Avengers.

Originally posted by zopzop
In the issues he's appeared in, I wouldn't place him above Demogorge. Beating ONE HALF of a cube being isn't really as impressive as wiping out the Elder Gods, swatting a small army of Death Gods in their seat of power, wiping out a small army of Sun and Thunder Gods, and making Odin panic and summoning the Council Elite for a meeting.

Yes! What did the Beyonder even do anyway? Even phoenix can hold a universe in her hand, and she got beaten by Magneto for chrissakes. Nothing about that feat would put Kubik above Thor, let alone Odin and all those other gods. The Kubik fans also need to stop with the whole "weakness exploitation" game; people who think Metallo would do any worse against Thor than he does against Superman are fooling themselves, and the same goes for Demogorge against Kubik.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
I don't get why you keep saying "20 years ago". At least it wasn't over 30 years ago like Demo, but 2 years ago he got killed by a Skrull God if that counts... ?

Also, half that cube being caused multiversal damage with lightning face. And he had a pretty sick bowl costume
He's got 2 really high feats, so that's all we're given. Simbon's post was pretty perfect though

The Demo during Sacred Invasion was nothing like Classic Demo. The thread title even says : CLASSIC Demogorge vs Kubik. CLASSIC Demogorge stomps Kubik's face in. So when discussing CLASSIC Demogorge, using his 20 year old feats isn't me being hypocritical.

Regarding the post retcon MM/Beyonder fight :

a) It was MM vs FULL Cube Being (the MM sucked the Beyonder personality and power from Kosmos, a FULL Cube Being, and that's why Kosmos was fading away)

b) Kubik didn't even attempt to fight MM

c) Where the hell is MM getting his power from if he merged with Beyonder and became the full Cube Being Kosmos? I remember he left Marsha with a sliver of his power to be reclaimed later (which he did during a FF Annual). So sliver of a little less than half a cube beings power (post retcon MM) > Full Cube being?

d) MM got killed by Sentry

Originally posted by Simbon
Sure, but what about all the issues where Kubik never appeared? It seems like he was staying away because he didn't have what it takes, and just wanted to hold onto those measly universal feats he had all those decades ago, like a washed up boxer recalling his heyday. Why else wouldn't he appear in them?

Yes! What did the Beyonder even do anyway? Even phoenix can hold a universe in her hand, and she got beaten by Magneto for chrissakes. Nothing about that feat would put Kubik above Thor, let alone Odin and all those other gods. The Kubik fans also need to stop with the whole "weakness exploitation" game; people who think Metallo would do any worse against Thor than he does against Superman are fooling themselves, and the same goes for Demogorge against Kubik.

Keep it up with the garbage posts. In his appearances, he's only ever done something impressive..................................ONCE......................two decades ago. 🙄

Originally posted by zopzop
Keep it up with the garbage posts. In his appearances, he's only ever done something impressive..................................ONCE......................two decades ago. 🙄

Come on, dude -- you aren't helping our case against Kubik by admitting that Demogorge's only impressive feat was from decades ago. I think if we stick to the Magneto>Phoenix>Kubik argument we may yet be able to persuade the others.

Originally posted by Simbon
Come on, dude -- you aren't helping our case against Kubik by admitting that Demogorge's only impressive feat was from decades ago. I think if we stick to the Magneto>Phoenix>Kubik argument we may yet be able to persuade the others.

You can read right? The TITLE OF THE DAMN THREAD IS : CLASSIC Demogorge vs Kubik. Do you get it now?

Originally posted by zopzop
The Demo during Sacred Invasion was nothing like Classic Demo. The thread title even says : CLASSIC Demogorge vs Kubik. CLASSIC Demogorge stomps Kubik's face in. So when discussing CLASSIC Demogorge, using his 20 year old feats isn't me being hypocritical.

Regarding the post retcon MM/Beyonder fight :

a) It was MM vs FULL Cube Being (the MM sucked the Beyonder personality and power from Kosmos, a FULL Cube Being, and that's why Kosmos was fading away)

b) Kubik didn't even attempt to fight MM

c) Where the hell is MM getting his power from if he merged with Beyonder and became the full Cube Being Kosmos? I remember he left Marsha with a sliver of his power to be reclaimed later (which he did during a FF Annual). So sliver of a little less than half a cube beings power (post retcon MM) > Full Cube being?

d) MM got killed by Sentry

I have no idea what you're getting at with the second half, since I was talking about Beyonder...

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Stop yelling at me.
I really only posted those times because stating "20 years ago" over and over is irrelevant when that's the only time he's appeared in. I just thought that's what we were doing. DEMO'S FEATS ARE FROM OVER 30 YEARS AGO!

I have no idea what you're getting at with the second half, since I was talking about Beyonder...

Good grief. I'm not yelling. I'm highlighting the word to bring it to your attention.

Regarding the Beyonder thing, I'm talking about the post retcon fight he had with MM in the FF Annual.

Originally posted by zopzop
Good grief. I'm not yelling. I'm highlighting the word to bring it to your attention.

Regarding the Beyonder thing, I'm talking about the post retcon fight he had with MM in the FF Annual.

And you only talked about MM when I was talking about Beyonder. You can see where confusion arrises

Originally posted by zopzop
You can read right? The TITLE OF THE DAMN THREAD IS : CLASSIC Demogorge vs Kubik. Do you get it now?

Exactly. That's why we need to stop focusing on what Demogorge did and focus on the things that Kubik hasn't done. So far I haven't heard one peep from the Kubik fans about him doing anything impressive outside of the comics he appeared in; if he did, they should speak up. My suspicion is that they'll rely on hierarchy and hearsay rather than hard feats (though predictably, they'll cite the same, tired old feats from the comics he appeared in, while ignoring the vast majority of comics where he never showed up at all).

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
No more yelling

But I'm not yelling, I'm

Spoiler:
highlighting

And you only talked about MM when I was talking about Beyonder. You can see where confusion arrises

I know, I'm just saying Beyonder wasn't half a Cube Being at that point. He had already merged with MM and become Kosmos. MM then ripped the Beyonder persona from Kosmos and challenged him to a fight. He was a full Cube Being at that point. So it was MM, with a sliver of the power he gave Marsha to hold for him; that he reclaimed later in a FF issue, vs a full Cube Being. So sliver of power from less than half a Cube Being (MM) > full Cube Being (Beyonder/Kosmos)?

Originally posted by Simbon
Exactly. That's why we need to stop focusing on what Demogorge did and focus on the things that Kubik hasn't done. So far I haven't heard one peep from the Kubik fans about him doing anything impressive outside of the comics he appeared in; if he did, they should speak up. My suspicion is that they'll rely on hierarchy and hearsay rather than hard feats (though predictably, they'll cite the same, tired old feats from the comics he appeared in, while ignoring the vast majority of comics where he never showed up at all).

Originally posted by zopzop
You can read right? The TITLE OF THE DAMN THREAD IS : CLASSIC Demogorge vs Kubik. Do you get it now?

Of course it says classic, otherwise posters here would take into account his current sh!t status along with his previous showings to average him out. Kubik, on the other hand, hasn't had many appearances anyways for there to be a distinction between a current Kubik and a classic Kubik. There isn't a classic Kubik because he doesn't have shitty appearances...SINCE HE DOESN'T HAVE MANY APPEARANCES AT ALL!

Kubik with his feats shit all over classic Atum/Demogorge. Being half a Cube didn't limit the Beyonder from creating his own universe, nor did it take away from Kubik's full cube status. Kubik abused the Beyonder and warp everything that was the Beyonder and his universe in his hand, not to say that the Demogorge is Beyonder's equal anyways. The guy beat other mystic types because of his powers, which would be overwhelm by a cosmic who's powers come from another universe anyways with actual universal feat to back it up.

Let's be honest here. The only way to give the Demogorge a small chance to challenge Kubik is to remove all of the Elder God's shitty appearances, as the OP has done here.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Of course it says classic, otherwise posters here would take into account his current sh!t status along with his previous showings to average him out. Kubik, on the other hand, hasn't had many appearances anyways for there to be a distinction between a current Kubik and a classic Kubik. There isn't a classic Kubik because he doesn't have shitty appearances...SINCE HE DOESN'T HAVE MANY APPEARANCES AT ALL!

Kubik with his feats shit all over classic Atum/Demogorge. Being half a Cube didn't limit the Beyonder from creating his own universe, nor did it take away from Kubik's full cube status. Kubik abused the Beyonder and warp everything that was the Beyonder and his universe in his hand, not to say that the Demogorge is Beyonder's equal anyways. The guy beat other mystic types because of his powers, which would be overwhelm by a cosmic who's powers come from another universe anyways with actual universal feat to back it up.

Let's be honest here. The only way to give the Demogorge a small chance to challenge Kubik is to remove all of the Elder God's shitty appearances, as the OP has done here.

You have no clue WTF you are talking about, as always. What low showings does CLASSIC Demogorge have? Name one.

Also, I'm STILL waiting for something from Kubik aside from beating half a Cube Being 20 years ago. He's had numerous appearances in FF issues, a few Avengers issues (where he got owned by the Super Adaptoid!), and a few FF Annuals. UNLIKE Classic Demogorge who only really had 3 real showings (the rest were flashbacks) : Once during the initial purge of the Elder Gods, the second time during the Death/Sun/Thunder Gods beatdown, and the final one during the Atlantis Attacks storyline.

Originally posted by zopzop
You have no clue WTF you are talking about, as always. What low showings does CLASSIC Demogorge have? Name one.

Also, I'm STILL waiting for something from Kubik aside from beating half a Cube Being 20 years ago. He's had numerous appearances in FF issues, a few Avengers issues (where he got owned by the Super Adaptoid!), and a few FF Annuals. UNLIKE Classic Demogorge who only really had 3 real showings (the rest were flashbacks) : Once during the initial purge of the Elder Gods, the second time during the Death/Sun/Thunder Gods beatdown, and the final one during the Atlantis Attacks storyline.

Of course it says classic, otherwise posters here would take into account his current sh!t status along with his previous showings to average him out.

I see you have literacy issues once again. Where did I say classic Demogorge had shitty showings? You have a problem; it's called dyslexia. Do you ever get tired of being stupid?

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
I see you have literacy issues once again. Where did I say classic Demogorge had shitty showings? You have a problem; it's called dyslexia. Do you ever get tired of being stupid?

Who has literacy issues? Genius, the OP said "CLASSIC", you understand right? It doesn't matter if Aunt May beat down CURRENT Demogorge, this doesn't affect "CLASSIC" Demogorge's feats/showings (which is what the OP stated).

So bringing it up CURRENT Demogorge's showing in that Sacred Invasion Arc is a cop out by you because CLASSIC Demogorge has NO low showings. Nice try at trying to divert the thread with garbage.

And you should look into a mirror before you accuse someone else of being stupid.

And I'm STILL waiting for feats/showings from Kubik's appearances (he has more than Classic Demogorge) aside from that ONE time he did something 20 years ago.

Originally posted by zopzop
Who has literacy issues? Genius, the OP said "CLASSIC", you understand right? It doesn't matter if Aunt May beat down CURRENT Demogorge, this doesn't affect "CLASSIC" Demogorge's feats/showings (which is what the OP stated).

So bringing it up CURRENT Demogorge's showing in that Sacred Invasion Arc is a cop out by you because CLASSIC Demogorge has NO low showings. Nice try at trying to divert the thread with garbage.

And you should look into a mirror before you accuse someone else of being stupid.

And I'm STILL waiting for feats/showings from Kubik's appearances (he has more than Classic Demogorge) aside from that ONE time he did something 20 years ago.

Like I said, you would have to use the classic version of the demogorge for him to even have an argument. Are you that dense? Canonically there's no such thing as classic demogorge or pre-retcon beyonder. But it has to be stipulated this way so the demogogre has a fighting chance.

Anyways, your obvious stupidity aside, Kubik would crush the demogogre. How the heck does classic demo do anything to a being who's power is outside of the 616? The guy is not even mystic in nature so Demogorge isn't even going to be powered up by kubiks attacks. The demogorge's was born with the ability to kill other gods not someone like kubik. Raw output, kubik has tossed around planets warp a universe to his pleasure. It's a reality warper vs a god killer who's special ability is useless he. What's the demog going to do? Blast him? Chase he can't eat him that's for sure. Kubik warps this elder god into a carrot.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Like I said, you would have to use the classic version of the demogorge for him to even have an argument. Are you that dense? Canonically there's no such thing as classic demogorge or pre-retcon beyonder. But it has to be stipulated this way so the demogogre has a fighting chance.

Anyways, your obvious stupidity aside, Kubik would crush the demogogre. How the heck does classic demo do anything to a being who's power is outside of the 616? The guy is not even mystic in nature so Demogorge isn't even going to be powered up by kubiks attacks. The demogorge's was born with the ability to kill other gods not someone like kubik. Raw output, kubik has tossed around planets warp a universe to his pleasure. It's a reality warper vs a god killer who's special ability is useless he. What's the demog going to do? Blast him? Chase he can't eat him that's for sure. Kubik warps this elder god into a carrot.

"Canonically" you'd be right, but ON THESE FORUMS, the OP stated "CLASSIC Demogorge" vs Kubik. Not hard to understand. It's not unheard of for forum posters to use characters from/before/after certain time periods in a comic company for VS threads, so just stop this "there is no such thing as Classic X or Pre-retcon Y".

Yes, it's obviously my "stupidity" and not Kubik's showings that leave doubt in my mind. What has Kubik done (he's had MORE on panel appearances that aren't flashbacks than Classic Demogorge!) with the time he's been on panel? Beat half a Cube Being, then get owned by Super Adaptoid, and what else? Nothing. During that same time period Tom DeFalco was the Editor in Chief for three important issues involving Kubik : (a) FF 319 where Kubik beat half a cube being, (b) Avengers 289-290 where Super Adaptoid owned Kubik, and (c) Thor Annual 14 which had the "Relative Strengths and Comparisons" section which compared a FULL CUBE BEINGS power to Odin (more or less) so he obviously felt Cube Being = Skyfather or else those words would never see paper. You can't provide jack crap in terms of on panel proof so you resort to attacks. Fine by me, each time you fail to substantiate any of your claims and just resort to garbage posts, you just prove my point.