CaedusRules
I have read the Bane Trilogy, and it wasn't Bane's arrogance that got him killed. He knew that he must die by his apprentice's hands. It was his belief that he must keep the Sith strong that lead Bane to challenge Zannah right after his imprisonment. He knew that if they didn't fight it out then, then Zannah would go off and train another sith, and it would fracture his order. He knew, win or lose, it was the only way to keep the ROT true and together. He also knew heading into the fight it was 50-50 he would win or lose... How is that underestimating Zannah or being Arrogant? Maybe you should re-read the books.
Bane attacked Zannah because he didn't feel that she was up to the task of replacing him and he sought immortality through the essence transfer ritual. He succumbed to his egotism and selfishness and had no intention of being replaced by her.
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Sorry if my writing isnt up to your standard, but Im Dyslexic and I dont feel like spell checking everything.
Well boy do I feel like a prick now. My bad. 😬
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Lucas might call that era the Golden Age, but you know what... Feeble 70 year olds in Florida say they are in thier golden age too... Golden age could refer to the sun setting on the order.
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What Lucas says is canon around here.
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BTW where are you souces that say Sidious didn't benefit from anything Bane or his "decendants" did.... This is all theory and much of it is up for debate, thus the forum...
That no source to my knowledge indicates that Sidious did benefit from it. If he did, I'll accept it upon seeing proof.
Originally posted by CaedusRulesSidious ruled the galaxy though. He seemed far more knowledgeable than Bane.
But again... Sidious wipes out the Jedi, Bane wipes out the Brotherhood... This all comes down to them being about equal.And I'll take it one step further... If bane could face Sidious with the Ob armor... I think Bane would win...
To me honestly Sidious seems like the ultimate sith. he seems like the devil himself, pure evil. That really has nothing to do with anything I just wanted to throw that in there. Continue.
Sidious seems like the most all-arounder of the Sith, while some specific top Sith are better in one specific area or other.
Originally posted by Lucius
Thousands of years of effort, a rogues gallery of ruthless warlords, galactic war sparking tyrants, planet eating Lovecraftian horrors, star killing Force machines... and all they get is thirty years of tyranny.Fvck, screw further advancing the Sith cause... they all suck.
Though there have been a few cases of the Sith half-winning and then sticking around for a couple centuries, like Darth Ruin leading to a dark age for the Republic.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Sidious ruled the galaxy though. He seemed far more knowledgeable than Bane.To me honestly Sidious seems like the ultimate sith. he seems like the devil himself, pure evil. That really has nothing to do with anything I just wanted to throw that in there. Continue.
Agree.
Originally posted by Q99
Sidious seems like the most all-arounder of the Sith, while some specific top Sith are better in one specific area or other.
What area is any sith better in than Sidious?
Originally posted by quanchi112
If you agree Sidious is the ultimate sith who would be the ultimate jedi, Yoda ?
Hmm ultimate in the same sense you spoke of Sidious? Yea I'd say Yoda. I mean, Luke is stronger, but he did have his brush with the dark side...where Yoda seemed(from what we know) to have always remained true to the light side.
As far as accomplishments to match Sidious, I don't think any Jedi can really compare directly. However, Jedi and Sith have completely different objectives, so that isn't really fair. Luke accomplished a great amount of non-combat feats like rebuilding the Jedi Order and such. I think that there is just so much more information on Luke and Sidious than there is on Yoda. I'm sure Yoda accomplished some amazing things in his time, but its largely unknown.
In terms of Jedi I'd say either the Exile or Luke. Luke because he's just done so many things and had so many adventures. And the Exile because she stopped the Sith Triumvirate almost single-handedly. Thats a single-handed saving of the galaxy. Surprisingly not many Jedi can match that. Revan maybe, but that was a problem he caused himself, so it doesn't count imo. And Yoda barely accomplished anything that we know of.
Probably Luke though.
Originally posted by Vorpal RuinThanks for the input put I want to hear other opinions as well and make a duplicate thread with the jedi this time.
Hmm ultimate in the same sense you spoke of Sidious? Yea I'd say Yoda. I mean, Luke is stronger, but he did have his brush with the dark side...where Yoda seemed(from what we know) to have always remained true to the light side.As far as accomplishments to match Sidious, I don't think any Jedi can really compare directly. However, Jedi and Sith have completely different objectives, so that isn't really fair. Luke accomplished a great amount of non-combat feats like rebuilding the Jedi Order and such. I think that there is just so much more information on Luke and Sidious than there is on Yoda. I'm sure Yoda accomplished some amazing things in his time, but its largely unknown.
Originally posted by Nephthys
In terms of Jedi I'd say either the Exile or Luke. Luke because he's just done so many things and had so many adventures. And the Exile because she stopped the Sith Triumvirate almost single-handedly. Thats a single-handed saving of the galaxy. Surprisingly not many Jedi can match that. Revan maybe, but that was a problem he caused himself, so it doesn't count imo. And Yoda barely accomplished anything that we know of.Probably Luke though.
Revan single-handedly saved the galaxy from the Sith Empire and Star Forge, which were much more powerful than the Sith Triumvirate and its assassins.
And the underlying main character of KOTOR 2 was Revan. Revan influenced everything of galactic importance that happened during that time. The Exile wouldn't be the Exile if it wasn't for Revan. Kreia became Darth Trayus as a result of her search for Revan. Indirectly, Nihilus and Sion owe their Sith existence to Revan. The Sith Triumvirate rose out of the remnants of Revan's old Empire, and only grew dominant after Revan had left the known galaxy.
I don't know how you can say Revan doesn't count. As Kreia/Traya herself said, perhaps after meeting the Sith Emperor, Revan had to fall to prevent a greater evil. Granted, he shouldn't have followed such a dark path, but he delayed the Sith Empire's entrance for several hundred years and prevented them from obtaining the Star Forge.
Originally posted by Korto Vos
Revan single-handedly saved the galaxy from the Sith Empire and Star Forge, which were much more powerful than the Sith Triumvirate and its assassins.
But he's also the cause of the Sith Empire and the Star Forge, so it balances out there. You get more points for picking up someone else's trash. Or, since this is the Sith thread, he'd get more points if he hadn't worked to stop the Sith powers he created.
Revan's super-important to be sure, but it's half on Jedi side and half on Sith side, so the points are kinda divided for him compared to someone who's great feats are on one side or another.
Originally posted by PencilInEyelulz
Bane attacked Zannah because he didn't feel that she was up to the task of replacing him [b]and he sought immortality through the essence transfer ritual. He succumbed to his egotism and selfishness and had no intention of being replaced by her.
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I still think you might have mis-read the final book in the Bane trilogy. Bane didn't think Zannah was up to the task because she did not try and defeat Bane when she noticed his body was failing him. Bane thought she was just waiting for him to die of old age, which was not how the ROT was set up to do. As a result Bane knew he would have to kill Zannah, and train a new apprentice, but because his body was failing him, he needed to find a way to stay alive long enough to train another Sith that could beat him... He had no dilusions of imortality, and egotism and selfishness is not what brought down Bane.
Originally posted by DrunknClockwork
When discussing "significance in role", let's not forget that Bane has the whole Sith'ari thing going for him.
And Adas basically made that legend come into fruitation, stablized the Sith as a race before the coming of the Dark Jedi, and drove off the Infinite Empire.
If it comes to foundation building and legacy, he ought to rank first.