Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He won't fly at him because it's melee.The same thing that happens when Hulk lays hay-makers on him. Nothing.
Charging at someone with a melee weapon in a flight path would still count as a melee attack. He's not explicitly grounded. So long as he's not throwing Stormbreaker or using it to summon storms, it's fair game.
So Wolverine can no sell attacks nearing planetary busting power from one of the most powerful melee weapons in Marvel now?
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Charging at someone with a melee weapon in a flight path would still count as a melee attack. He's not explicitly grounded.So Wolverine can no sell attacks nearing planetary busting power from one of the most powerful melee weapons in Marvel now?
Flight seems like a pretty clear violation of the melee rule. Why not just have Bill magically charge up Stormbreaker before he wades into melee as well?
Even normal savage Hulk is a legitimate planet buster, and WWH was threatening to destroy the planet just from walking on it. Wolverine has been eating Hulk's best blows for decades. In his fight with Thor, it was explicitly stated that Thor was using his fiercest blows, and Wolverine had a freaking smile on his face. Bill's attacks will be different because why?
If Bill decks Wolverine, Wolverine will get up. If Wolverine opens Bill from his groin to his clavicle he'll go down. Wolverine has a documented history which includes decades worth of evidence of him talking the best shots Marvels top tiers can offer with little effect... and yet Bill apparently can one shot him? Please. Every time this threads come up they involve people completely ignoring Wolverine's entire history and giving the other character the benefit of the doubt based on nothing. What is their to suggest Wolverine will be unable to easily cut up Bill? What is their to suggest that Bill will be able to put Wolverine down easily with melee attacks? Nothing again? But that is apparently the case. Is there anything to suggest that if Wolverine landed a clean attack on Bill, he wouldn't go down? Nope... but lets ignore that because it's inconvenient.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Flight seems like a pretty clear violation of the melee rule. Why not just have Bill magically charge up Stormbreaker before he wades into melee as well?Even normal savage Hulk is a legitimate planet buster, and WWH was threatening to destroy the planet just from walking on it. Wolverine has been eating Hulk's best blows for decades. In his fight with Thor, it was explicitly stated that Thor was using his fiercest blows, and Wolverine had a freaking smile on his face. Bill's attacks will be different because why?
If Bill decks Wolverine, Wolverine will get up. If Wolverine opens Bill from his groin to his clavicle he'll go down. Wolverine has a documented history which includes decades worth of evidence of him talking the best shots Marvels top tiers can offer with little effect... and yet Bill apparently can one shot him? Please. Every time this threads come up they involve people completely ignoring Wolverine's entire history and giving the other character the benefit of the doubt based on nothing. What is their to suggest Wolverine will be unable to easily cut up Bill? What is their to suggest that Bill will be able to put Wolverine down easily with melee attacks? Nothing again? But that is apparently the case. Is there anything to suggest that if Wolverine landed a clean attack on Bill, he wouldn't go down? Nope... but lets ignore that because it's inconvenient.
Charging fists/melee weapons with power isn't explicitly against melee tactics, either, unless specifically banned. I'm pretty sure the OP doesn't want Bill to actively use his energy projection/weather manipulation powers as well as throwing Stormbreaker around because then it would be truly spite to the highest degree. Assuming they're allowed, even assuming just Bill being able to fly at a fraction of his highest speed, how does Logan respond to a charge from him?
Thor's "fiercest" blows, as shown through the vast majority of his history are, frankly, beyond Wolverine's ability to handle. Let me know when Logan can tank attacks which stagger Galactus, break through Celestial armor, rock a planet to its very foundation if not destroy it entirely, etc, etc. It was hyperbole and considering the people who Thor has laid out with his attacks, it's incredibly worrisome to believe that Logan's initial durability is greater than what Thor (or Bill) can put out at their very best. I have no doubt Logan can take a few of their garden variety hammer swings, but let's not pretend Logan can indefinitely tank them and is immune to being rendered unconscious, never mind if we take into account on panel instances of their best blows and what they're capable of.
For the record, do you think that Thor/BRB are even capable of knocking Logan out? If so, what would it take?
Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
This. And don't use WWH in your argument, cause he beat the S*** out of Wolverine.
WWH beat the shit out everyone, and Wolverine did better then everyone not named Sentry.
Wolverine's healing factor provides him with damage soak the equal of the durability of any top tier character who doesn't have legitimate invulnerability, and his claws provide him with a damage output on par with even the strongest bricks. It is a different power set that accomplish the same thing as the standard durability / super strength combo. I mean is that really so complicated to understand? For decades now he has been taking the same level of damage as the top tier characters have, and dishing out damage on the same characters, he just does this with a different set of powers... which apparently scares and confuses people. He has a healing factor instead of durability, and he has claws with +10 to armor pen instead of brute strength... but while different his power set is equally effective at accomplishing the same thing, if not more so. Not sure why that is so hard to grasp, it's like wondering how someone can cook chicken on a bbq, because it's not a stove. Different instruments that accomplish the same goal. If Wolverine had the exact same history and all of his feats were exactly the same as the ones he now, but instead of healing he just accomplished all his feats through durability, and instead of claws allowing him to bypass durability he just had class 100 super strength this would be a different thread... but unfortunately comic fans are stupid and don't understand anything unless it is simple like strength and durability.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
For the record, do you think that Thor/BRB are even capable of knocking Logan out? If so, what would it take?
Originally posted by srankmissingninSome stupids you never forget.
doesn't change the fact that nothing Thor did had any effect on Wolverine what so ever. If Thor want to ko Wolverine, he'd need to clear his schedule for the rest of the day
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Charging fists/melee weapons with power isn't explicitly against melee tactics, either, unless specifically banned. I'm pretty sure the OP doesn't want Bill to actively use his energy projection/weather manipulation powers as well as throwing Stormbreaker around because then it would be truly spite to the highest degree. Assuming they're allowed, even assuming just Bill being able to fly at a fraction of his highest speed, how does Logan respond to a charge from him?Thor's "fiercest" blows, as shown through the vast majority of his history are, frankly, beyond Wolverine's ability to handle. Let me know when Logan can tank attacks which stagger Galactus, break through Celestial armor, rock a planet to its very foundation if not destroy it entirely, etc, etc. It was hyperbole and considering the people who Thor has laid out with his attacks, it's incredibly worrisome to believe that Logan's initial durability is greater than what Thor (or Bill) can put out at their very best. I have no doubt Logan can take a few of their garden variety hammer swings, but let's not pretend Logan can indefinitely tank them and is immune to being rendered unconscious, never mind if we take into account on panel instances of their best blows and what they're capable of.
For the record, do you think that Thor/BRB are even capable of knocking Logan out? If so, what would it take?
Most of those things involved the God Blast or Odin Force.
Wolverine has taken shots from characters that have one-shotted Hercules, Thor, Hulk in the same issue and in some cases handled it better then even their durability allowed. This fallacy that "Oh I guess they were holding on Wolverine because the couldn't down him!" is absurd. When was the last time you got the impression that down Wolverine was an easy thing to do? It has been stated twice on panel that Wolverine and Hulk could potentially fight for an eternity with neither of them winning, but omg Thor didn't instantly one shot him so I guess he must have been holding back. That is such an absurd and one sided point of view, you are essentially saying "Hey lets ignore Wolverine entire history and just pretend nothing he has ever done matters." Wolverine's fought Thor. Wolverine's fought characters who have beaten Thor. But we all apparently decided ignoring decades of a characters history to inflated the flimsy argument that Wolverine doesn't stand a chance was the right course of action. Thor and Bill are capable of koing Wolverine, but it isn't something that is going to happen in one blow, it would take Bill as much time to knock out Wolverine as it would for him to knock out Thor, or Herc, or Hulk, or Glads. Wolverine just needs one shot.
If Bill hits Wolverine with his best shot Wolverine will get back up. That's what Wolverine's history fighting characters of Bill's caliber tells us. Now, what does Bill's history tell us will happen if Wolverine eviscerates him? Or opens a major artery? Or punctures a major organ? Or severs his spinal cord?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
He's no Mr. X, that's for sure:
Yeah and Thor's not bullet proof, Darkseid got koed by some thugs with a chain, and Dracula got beat up by a mountain goat. Are you going to abide by the forum rules, or is there any more examples of PIS you would like to cite and pretend matter?
