PIS vs PIS....

In this thread, we are going to tackle showings that greatly contradict one another and try to decide (or argue rather) which showing is the "PIS'ier" of the two...

For example, the combined might of 3 High End Skyfathers couldnt even tickle a lone Celestial (Arishem), yet Thor was able to bust open the armor of (and actually harm) a Celestial more powerful than Arishem (Exitar)...

The Thor busting Celestial Armor feat or the inability of the 3 Skyfathers combined to even tickle one...which is the PIS event here?

Thor withstanding multiple attacks from "merciless" Celestials or these same Celestials blasting holes into the 2000ft Destroyer...which is PIS?

Odin busting Galaxies as a side effect of his battle against Seth or Odin failing to put a shieldless Thanos down for the count with one of his greatest weapons in hand...which of these scream PIS?

Galactus outlasting (and out performing) multiple Celestials against The Galactus Engine or Galactus struggling with Odin...which of these is BS writing?

Doctor Doom instantly being aware (via Galactus's Cosmic Awareness) of everything pertaining to War World or Galactus failing to realize that Aggomotto was more than a "mere" Catapillar...which of these showings gets the vote of PIS?

The Silver Surfer withstanding the tremendous gravitational force of a Black Hole or the Silver Surfer being taken out by a few punches from Thanos...one of these has GOT to be PIS; which is it?

I await your responses...

Thanos wasn't shieldless for his battle with Odin.

Beyond that, IMO, there's no "right" answer here: each of the instances you've mentioned took places across various periods of time, with different writers. Because of that, you've got different conceptions of what these characters should be based on the viewpoints of the writer at the time. It's why SA Supes was sneezing away galaxies on a whim, while Byrne Era Supes got KOed by an exploding gas station. Some writers viewed the Celestials as uber-powerful beings who were supposed to be well above skyfathers, while others seemed to have a more toned down view of them. Same goes for guys like Odin (went from rocking galaxies to being portrayed by Fraction as not being able to control time), and Galactus (whose showings vary wildly, IMO).

Given that, I can't say that these showings are PIS; they're simply the result of how the writers view each character.

EDIT: Except for Supes and the gas station one. That was atrocious.

Another PIS vs PIS question...

The Silver Surfer being effortlessly one shotted by Odin or the Silver Surfer withstanding multiple attacks from Aegis and Tenebrous...these showings dont add up; one of them is phony...which is it?

@Harbinger....

The instance with the 2000ft Destroyer getting holes blasted into it and Thor tanking multiple Celestial attacks took place in the very same comic...what about this one?

The rest, you are correct about...different times, different writers...but that said, our debates here on KMC are meaningless if their isnt some consensus pertaining to extreme showings like the above.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Another PIS vs PIS question...

The Silver Surfer being effortlessly one shotted by Odin or the Silver Surfer withstanding multiple attacks from Aegis and Tenebrous...these showings dont add up; one of them is phony...which is it?

From what I remember when Galactus fought Tenebrous and Aegis Surfer was put down pretty easy but just one of these guys. You don't have to go all the way back to Odin.

Its been a while since I read that as well...so you might be right that he was only beat on by one of them; could swear both of them got some licks in though.

I am certain that he wasnt one shotted though...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Its been a while since I read that as well...so you might be right that he was only beat on by one of them; could swear both of them got some licks in though.

I am certain that he wasnt one shotted though...

They were two fight one Galactus and Surfer vs Terberus and Aegis that fight it took two shot from Aegis one to take him out of the air and another to crush him with her hand.

The second fight was Surfer alone that's the one where he took multiple shots from both of them I counted 4 a combination of energy and physical he was still conscious and could move.

But yeah he was not one-shotted but these two fight were not even consistent themselves so.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
In this thread, we are going to tackle showings that greatly contradict one another and try to decide (or argue rather) which showing is the "PIS'ier" of the two...

For example, the combined might of 3 High End Skyfathers couldnt even tickle a lone Celestial (Arishem), yet Thor was able to bust open the armor of (and actually harm) a Celestial more powerful than Arishem (Exitar)...

The Thor busting Celestial Armor feat or the inability of the 3 Skyfathers combined to even tickle one...which is the PIS event here?

Thor withstanding multiple attacks from "merciless" Celestials or these same Celestials blasting holes into the 2000ft Destroyer...which is PIS?

Odin busting Galaxies as a side effect of his battle against Seth or Odin failing to put a shieldless Thanos down for the count with one of his greatest weapons in hand...which of these scream PIS?

Galactus outlasting (and out performing) multiple Celestials against The Galactus Engine or Galactus struggling with Odin...which of these is BS writing?

Doctor Doom instantly being aware (via Galactus's Cosmic Awareness) of everything pertaining to War World or Galactus failing to realize that Aggomotto was more than a "mere" Catapillar...which of these showings gets the vote of PIS?

The Silver Surfer withstanding the tremendous gravitational force of a Black Hole or the Silver Surfer being taken out by a few punches from Thanos...one of these has GOT to be PIS; which is it?

I await your responses...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
The Thor busting Celestial Armor feat or the inability of the 3 Skyfathers combined to even tickle one...which is the PIS event here?

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Thor withstanding multiple attacks from "merciless" Celestials or these same Celestials blasting holes into the 2000ft Destroyer...which is PIS?

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Odin busting Galaxies as a side effect of his battle against Seth or Odin failing to put a shieldless Thanos down for the count with one of his greatest weapons in hand...which of these scream PIS?

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Galactus outlasting (and out performing) multiple Celestials against The Galactus Engine or Galactus struggling with Odin...which of these is BS writing?

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Doctor Doom instantly being aware (via Galactus's Cosmic Awareness) of everything pertaining to War World or Galactus failing to realize that Aggomotto was more than a "mere" Catapillar...which of these showings gets the vote of PIS?

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
The Silver Surfer withstanding the tremendous gravitational force of a Black Hole or the Silver Surfer being taken out by a few punches from Thanos...one of these has GOT to be PIS; which is it?

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
In this thread, we are going to tackle showings that greatly contradict one another and try to decide (or argue rather) which showing is the "PIS'ier" of the two...

For example, the combined might of 3 High End Skyfathers couldnt even tickle a lone Celestial (Arishem), yet Thor was able to bust open the armor of (and actually harm) a Celestial more powerful than Arishem (Exitar)...

The Thor busting Celestial Armor feat or the inability of the 3 Skyfathers combined to even tickle one...which is the PIS event here?

Thor withstanding multiple attacks from "merciless" Celestials or these same Celestials blasting holes into the 2000ft Destroyer...which is PIS?

Odin busting Galaxies as a side effect of his battle against Seth or Odin failing to put a shieldless Thanos down for the count with one of his greatest weapons in hand...which of these scream PIS?

Galactus outlasting (and out performing) multiple Celestials against The Galactus Engine or Galactus struggling with Odin...which of these is BS writing?

Doctor Doom instantly being aware (via Galactus's Cosmic Awareness) of everything pertaining to War World or Galactus failing to realize that Aggomotto was more than a "mere" Catapillar...which of these showings gets the vote of PIS?

The Silver Surfer withstanding the tremendous gravitational force of a Black Hole or the Silver Surfer being taken out by a few punches from Thanos...one of these has GOT to be PIS; which is it?

I await your responses...

Actually scientifically what Thor did made sense.
Thor not only hit a larger Celestial in a much smaller area than what the skyfathers did but Thor used physical force instead.
Now pressure=force / area ratio
That means since the area ratio of Thor's attack to Exitar's size was many many times smaller than the skyfather's attack on smaller Celestials. So Thor didn't need to apply the same force but a smaller one. Second, physical attacks are totally different than energy based attacks.
Celestials can absorb energy very well, a blast to them should do nothing (if they are conscious of it coming). Now Thor not only hit Exitar when it wasn't aware but he did it with physical force.

Originally posted by h1a8
Actually scientifically what Thor did made sense.
Thor not only hit a larger Celestial in a much smaller area than what the skyfathers did but Thor used physical force instead.
Now pressure=force / area ratio
That means since the area ratio of Thor's attack to Exitar's size was many many times smaller than the skyfather's attack on smaller Celestials. So Thor didn't need to apply the same force but a smaller one. Second, physical attacks are totally different than energy based attacks.
Celestials can absorb energy very well, a blast to them should do nothing (if they are conscious of it coming). Now Thor not only hit Exitar when it wasn't aware but he did it with physical force.

I was actually thinking more about the armor of Exitars inner dome; are we really supposed to believe that Thors God Blast exceeds the total energy output of 3 High End Skyfathers?

But even Thor busting open Exitars armor is suspect; are we really to believe that Thor can breach Celestial Armor with blunt force, but the 2000ft Destroyer (which was powered by Odin and all of Asgard combined) is incapable of harming them with blunt force (remember, the "planet pulverizing" blows from the 2000ft Destroyer did absolutely nothing to one of the Celestials) attacks!?

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
In this thread, we are going to tackle showings that greatly contradict one another and try to decide (or argue rather) which showing is the "PIS'ier" of the two...

For example, the combined might of 3 High End Skyfathers couldnt even tickle a lone Celestial (Arishem), yet Thor was able to bust open the armor of (and actually harm) a Celestial more powerful than Arishem (Exitar)...

The Thor busting Celestial Armor feat or the inability of the 3 Skyfathers combined to even tickle one...which is the PIS event here?

Thor withstanding multiple attacks from "merciless" Celestials or these same Celestials blasting holes into the 2000ft Destroyer...which is PIS?

Odin busting Galaxies as a side effect of his battle against Seth or Odin failing to put a shieldless Thanos down for the count with one of his greatest weapons in hand...which of these scream PIS?

Galactus outlasting (and out performing) multiple Celestials against The Galactus Engine or Galactus struggling with Odin...which of these is BS writing?

Doctor Doom instantly being aware (via Galactus's Cosmic Awareness) of everything pertaining to War World or Galactus failing to realize that Aggomotto was more than a "mere" Catapillar...which of these showings gets the vote of PIS?

The Silver Surfer withstanding the tremendous gravitational force of a Black Hole or the Silver Surfer being taken out by a few punches from Thanos...one of these has GOT to be PIS; which is it?

I await your responses...

Thor taking Celestial beams are PIS
Thanos withstanding Odin is PIS
Galactus struggling with Odin is PIS
Surfer could have been controlling or absorbing the gravitational waves on himself inside the black hole. Also there is a feat where Surfer is broken into many pieces but is not only still alive but very conscious as well. The latter feat is PIS

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
I was actually thinking more about the armor of Exitars inner dome; are we really supposed to believe that Thors God Blast exceeds the total energy output of 3 High End Skyfathers?

Oh yes I forgot. Maybe Exitar has to be conscious of the attack in order to absorb or block it. Maybe that is what the Celestials did to the skyfathers attack.

If it was pure armor and zero energy manipulation that stopped the skyfathers attack then of course what Thor did was PIS.

Originally posted by h1a8
Oh yes I forgot. Maybe Exitar has to be conscious of the attack in order to absorb or block it. Maybe that is what the Celestials did to the skyfathers attack.

If it was pure armor and zero energy manipulation that stopped the skyfathers attack then of course what Thor did was PIS.

There was no indication that the Celestials did anything to manipulate the energies being hurled at them by Thor or the Skyfathers...they just stood there like they always do and tanked it.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
There was no indication that the Celestials did anything to manipulate the energies being hurled at them by Thor or the Skyfathers...they just stood there like they always do and tanked it.

I know that is why I said

If it was pure armor and zero energy manipulation that stopped the skyfathers attack then of course what Thor did was PIS.

Consistent performance vs direct competition serve as a way to balance out so called space cheese. Then you have to factor in cliches like holding back vs not holding back, was the person manipulating some kind of energy force etc.

Originally posted by dmills
Consistent performance vs direct competition serve as a way to balance out so called space cheese. Then you have to factor in cliches like holding back vs not holding back, was the person manipulating some kind of energy force etc.

Or simply that comics were never meant to be subjected to the kind of scrutiny they are on battle boards.

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
Or simply that comics were never meant to be subjected to the kind of scrutiny they are on battle boards.

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
Or simply that comics were never meant to be subjected to the kind of scrutiny they are on battle boards.

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
Or simply that comics were never meant to be subjected to the kind of scrutiny they are on battle boards.

But there MUST be some sort of hierarchy in place otherwise what's the point? The discussions on this forum become pointless. The "Relative Strengths and Powers" scan from Thor Annual 14 was fine.

It went from lowest to highest :

Gods
Special Gods
Trans Tier (Mangog, etc...)
Cube Beings/Skyfathers/Ego?/Galactus
Celestials
Special Celestials
Abstracts
Living Tribunal

But now you have power levels that vary depending on writer. LordofMurder's Galactus example hit the nail on the head. One minute he's the last man standing (Aegis dead, Teneberous and the Celestials AWOL) vs the Galactus Engine, next minute he's in a sweaty stalemate vs Odin.

And the "internet and message boards weren't around back then" excuse doesn't hold up because this example is recent.