Deathstroke (with Promethium Upgrade) VS Wolverine

Originally posted by namorsubby
srank....youre so dense.

The marvel kid attacked slade from behind. Before he could actually attack, he was thrown. That was an action, not words. Speed feat.

Slade hit ww in melee combat(several times). That was an action. Speed feat

how do you figure that bringing up completely irrelevant and random instances of pis or jobbing will negate slades feats. Superman or whoever has nothing to do with this. What kinda twisted logic is that?

Speed of sound is still faster than any speed feat youve presented.

CAPTAIN MARVEL JR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Write that down, please.

It's not a speed feat, it's exposition. Just like in the case of Wolverine vs Thor, and Wolverine vs Namor, it isn't enough in an of itself for those characters to state "Wolverine is faster then me." Wolverine's speed feats outside of those fights need to match or exceed those characters' own feats of speed. Was Slade "faster" then Freddie example? Yes. Does that mean he is faster than Freddie? Not necessarily. Character's job, like the aforementioned Shadow Dragon / Superman example, if a character doesn't have the feats to back up the narrative statements, then those statements don't matter. Does Slade have speed feats that match the Flash? No. Does he have speed feats that match Wonder Woman? No.

We can't exactly quantify it but in order for Wolverine to simultaneously punch for separate people that surrounded him in the way that the did all before anyone could react, he would need to be moving insanely fast. Anyway, if you want something you can ball park then Wolverine has moved after a gun was fired, and got to the shooter before the bullet could leave the barrel of the gun, blocking it with his claw. This is a speed feat, that is what you need to start posting.

I have to admit those DS scans are pure win. truly awesome;
However, are you certain that slade is really that fast...or that he simply "predicts" through spatial intelligence, bodily kinesthetic intelligence, & evolved intuition where his opponent is going to be & when he/she is going to be there.....thanks in part to his uber brain power. therefore, he could set himself in position for various attacks (or carry them out in advance) in what amounts to immaculate timing (sort of like chess). In conjunction with his well beyond peak athlete reflexes/quickness he could pull these feats off & you couldn't tell the difference. this would be no less impressive than if slade truly was truly that fast/quick, but still very, very different. therein rests slade's potential weakness against logan; when logan goes into a berserker mode not even mild telepaths can predict or react effectively against wolverine. he just starts, well,....going berserk all over the place in a irrational, random, and chaotic but still incredibly dangerous way. slade, without prep, doesn't have the tools to permanently destroy logan. a berserker logan would heal, while slade's weaker HF would eventually break due to attrition.

I don't know the context of those scans, but WW looks like she was taken off guard & by surprise.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
CAPTAIN MARVEL JR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Write that down, please.

It's not a speed feat, it's exposition. Just like in the case of Wolverine vs Thor, and Wolverine vs Namor, it isn't enough in an of itself for those characters to state "Wolverine is faster then me." Wolverine's speed feats outside of those fights need to match or exceed those characters' own feats of speed. Was Slade "faster" then Freddie example? Yes. Does that mean he is faster than Freddie? Not necessarily. Character's job, like the aforementioned Shadow Dragon / Superman example, if a character doesn't have the feats to back up the narrative statements, then those statements don't matter. Does Slade have speed feats that match the Flash? No. Does he have speed feats that match Wonder Woman? No.

We can't exactly quantify it but in order for Wolverine to simultaneously punch for separate people that surrounded him in the way that the did all before anyone could react, he would need to be moving insanely fast. Anyway, if you want something you can ball park then Wolverine has moved after a gun was fired, and got to the shooter before the bullet could leave the barrel of the gun, blocking it with his claw. This is a speed feat, that is what you need to start posting.

Btw, You lost. Next category

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

We can't exactly quantify it but in order for Wolverine to simultaneously punch for separate people that surrounded him in the way that the did all before anyone could react, he would need to be moving insanely fast. Anyway, if you want something you can ball park then Wolverine has moved after a gun was fired, and got to the shooter before the bullet could leave the barrel of the gun, blocking it with his claw. This is a speed feat, that is what you need to start posting.

Is Batman then, faster than Slade?

Originally posted by namorsubby
all these scans were actions, not just words. Slade has outreacted many diffrent opponents with a ton of superspeed on many many occassions. Thats not even the 1st time he hit a ww in melee combat. hes done it many times. he has the speed feats to back it.Please respond with actual feats instead of pathetic scans such as the ones you posted and weak ass excuses as to why you believe my speed feats should be invalid. Youre such a hypocrite srank. Post something better or shut up. Im not buying this nonsense. You just try to explain away anything placed in front of you instead of providing any concrete comic evidence against it. Im tired of your theories srank. Show me something.

Btw, You lost. Next category

Again: they aren't speed feats, they are exposition. Read my post, it details the difference for you.

What I post is an actual speed, I'm still waiting for you to post one. When you do, I will post more.

Originally posted by Juntai
Even Batman has feats like these. He's disarmed an entire group of people surrounding him and was off running across the rooftops while they were still holding their arms out like guns where in their hands, aiming their non-existant weapons at eachother.

Is Batman then, faster than Slade?

I know the specific feat you are talking about an it's not the same. There is a difference between spinning in a fluid motion and disarming a group of men and planting your feet, chambering and throwing a punch, turning 45 degrees, planting your feet, chambering and throwing a punch, turing 45 degrees, planting your feet, chambering and throwing a punch, turing 45 degrees, planting your feet, chambering and throwing a punch, turing 45 degrees, so fast that it happens simultaneously.

But if you are wondering, Batman has better speed feats then Slade. Slade is faster then Batman, for the same reason Sabretooth is faster then Wolverine, because we have been told he is faster. If we went purely off feats Bruce would easily be the faster of the two.

Originally posted by wildernesss
I have to admit those DS scans are pure win. truly awesome;
However, are you certain that slade is really that fast...or that he simply "predicts" through spatial intelligence, bodily kinesthetic intelligence, & evolved intuition where his opponent is going to be & when he/she is going to be there.....thanks in part to his uber brain power. therefore, he could set himself in position for various attacks (or carry them out in advance) in what amounts to immaculate timing (sort of like chess). In conjunction with his well beyond peak athlete reflexes/quickness he could pull these feats off & you couldn't tell the difference. this would be no less impressive than if slade truly was truly that fast/quick, but still very, very different. therein rests slade's potential weakness against logan; when logan goes into a berserker mode not even mild telepaths can predict or react effectively against wolverine. he just starts, well,....going berserk all over the place in a irrational, random, and chaotic but still incredibly dangerous way. slade, without prep, doesn't have the tools to permanently destroy logan. a berserker logan would heal, while slade's weaker HF would eventually break due to attrition.

I don't know the context of those scans, but WW looks like she was taken off guard & by surprise.

Originally posted by Juntai
Even Batman has feats like these. He's disarmed an entire group of people surrounding him and was off running across the rooftops while they were still holding their arms out like guns where in their hands, aiming their non-existant weapons at eachother.

Is Batman then, faster than Slade?

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only an idiot who discounts all slades speed feats would say bruce has better speed feats. Why dont you try proving that with scans srank? You cant

Originally posted by namorsubby
i dont believe slade is faster than any of those characters. But since when does a character have to be faster than another to land hits consistently? Slade doesnt have to have better speed feats than ww,flash,and marvel jr to prove thats hes fast enough to tag them. Thats the incorrect logic that srank bases his beliefs on. Im not saying slade is faster. Im saying that almost every time slade goes up against characters like these he is shown to be fast enough to land hits....and its true. He doesnt have to do it every other issue for it to be an established norm. He just has to do it the majority of the time when he faces these types of opponents...and he does.

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It's not "incorrect logic" it's the forum rules and it doesn't just apply to Slade it applies universally to all characters. Solomon Grundy has had slug fests with Superman, Batman has tagged the Flash, they will almost certainly do it again, but neither of them are fast enough to tag the Superman or the Flash in a forum fight. If you are trying to argue that in a comic Slade would hit the Flash then you are right... but so would Batman, so would Cap, so would Green Arrow, and none of it matters here. Stuff like that happens all the time and it is not in and of itself a speed feat. In a comic Superman would forget he has super speed and get into a slugfest with the Hulk... but is completely irrelevant here. We have rules her to establish a consistent base line for the characters, a street level hero who constantly goes shot for shot with street level heroes can't tag the Flash.

he consistently tags chracters with a ton of superspeed, srank. All different types of charaters. Almost every time he meets up with one. Since he was created. All those characters you are uusing as excuses which are irrelevant to what slade does anyway dont havenear the creditials. They may have done it before....but no where near on the same consistency level. You cant claim pis for something thats been going on from day one in almost every showing hes had with these superfast characters. You cant use irrelevant instances with other characters to negate it.

Btw, i know batman speed feats like the back of my hand(just like slades)....its plain dumb to suggest his are superior

Originally posted by namorsubby
he consistently tags chracters with a ton of superspeed, srank. All different types of charaters. Almost every time he meets up with one. Since he was created. All those characters you are uusing as excuses which are irrelevant to what slade does anyway dont havenear the creditials. They may have done it before....but no where near on the same consistency level. You cant claim pis for something thats been going on from day one in almost every showing hes had with these superfast characters. You cant use irrelevant instances with other characters to negate it.

Btw, i know batman speed feats like the back of my hand(just like slades)....its plain dumb to suggest his are superior

Just like Batman. Do you think in forum fight Batman can hit the Flash in a forum fight? He can't.

If you are familiar with Batman's speed feats, I don't see how you could possibly argue that Slade's are better. Slade's best speed feat is jumping through a moving industrial fan, but Batman himself has done the same thing. Batman has switched cups of poison without the person sitting across from him being aware he he moved. For Christ's sake, Batman has snatched the damn green lantern ring off Kyle's finger without him noticing. Those are speed feats. Does Slade have feats like that? No.

those are not impressive speed feats. Making manuevers of some sort before people can react is standard among streets. Those characters dont have superspeed.

Batman tagged kid flash. Slade has tagged all sorts of flashes every time hes gone against them. Not even close to comparable. Like i said no one chracter you mention has close to the creditials to be considered on the same level.

Come to think of it....slades superspeed tagging abilities arent just consistent....theyre probably absolute. When has he failed to tag a character with immense speed?

Originally posted by namorsubby
those are not impressive speed feats. Making manuevers of some sort before people can react is standard among streets. Those characters dont have superspeed.

Batman tagged kid flash. Slade has tagged all sorts of flashes every time hes gone against them. Not even close to comparable. Like i said no one chracter you mention has close to the creditials to be considered on the same level.

Come to think of it....slades superspeed tagging abilities arent just consistent....theyre probably absolute. When has he failed to tag a character with immense speed?

Batman has tagged Kid Flash, Impulse, Flash, Superman, Jonny Quick, Wonder Woman et cetera. It's certainly comparable.

I'm sorry but those are legitimate speed feats, and they are more impressive then anything you have cited. That's how fast Batman is, he is capable of burst speed where no one, in some cases even seasoned heroes, can see him move. Those are what speed feats look like, where are Slade's? That's the type of stuff you need to show. Slade hitting Wonder Woman, or the Flash is just nothing but two top tiers jobbing to street, and those type of examples exist in stark contrast to the majority of his appearances where Slade is going shot for shot with human streets. If we pretend that feats like that are even remotely valid then the majority of DC streets Robin through Batman are capable of light speed combat speed, having long careers filled with examples of tagging speedsters.

Remember what happened when Slade and Deadshot had an old west stand off? They both got shot up and went down for a stalemate. Remember what happened when Batman and Deadshot had a old west stand off? Batman quick drew Layton and laid him out with a batarang.

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lol srank youre not being honest. Slades and batman superspeed tagging are no where near on thed same level. Many times opponents much slower have been shown to be too fast for batman. Slade always tagged superspeedsters and always has. Theres no way you can undo it by running your mouth or bringing up instances completely irrelevant to slades own feats. What batman does does not matter.......or anyone else. Slade does this things on a consistent basis. So they are an established norm. Period.

Lol and deadshot could kill bruce anytime he wanted if not for a plot device. Why dont you read up some on the relationship between him and batman. Even with his subconscious handicapp ds tags bats all the time.

Originally posted by namorsubby
lol srank youre not being honest. Slades and batman superspeed tagging are no where near on thed same level. Many times opponents much slower have been shown to be too fast for batman. Slade always tagged superspeedsters and always has. Theres no way you can undo it by running your mouth or bringing up instances completely irrelevant to slades own feats. What batman does does not matter.......or anyone else. Slade does this things on a consistent basis. So they are an established norm. Period.

And many times characters much slower have been shown to be too fast for Deathstroke. He has been legitimately speed blitzed by Nightwing, and in other instance shown to be completely unable to land a hand on him. It's truly odd how you are comfortable ignoring minority instances of Batman hitting Flash in favour of the statuesque but you feel we should ignore how Slade is depicted 99% of the time and pretend he is a Flash level character. Slade is a low level superhuman, barely above street who couldn't hit Flash in a forum battle if his life depended on it and has to work to beat streets.

who is saying slade is a flash level character srank? Nobody. You hear what you want, just like you see what you want when you view a scan. Slade has been proven fast enough to hit him though. Thats fact.

that nw argument is moronic. slades stated he could easily kill nightwing. nw has stated the same. nw has stated slade is faster and stronger.....which is freakin obvious if you look at the MAJORITY of the showings and stop trying to make the low ones the norm.

Originally posted by namorsubby
who is saying slade is a flash level character srank? Nobody. You hear what you want, just like you see what you want when you view a scan. Slade has been proven fast enough to hit him though. Thats fact.

that nw argument is moronic. slades stated he could easily kill nightwing. nw has stated the same. nw has stated slade is faster and stronger.....which is freakin obvious if you look at the MAJORITY of the showings and stop trying to make the low ones the norm.

So has Batman. Robin. Nightwing. Cheshire. It has nothing to do with speed. It is about anticipating the speedster and the speedster being jobbed down to make an interesting comic. None of which matters on KMC.

And yet Slade still has trouble cooping with Nightwing's speed and has been legitimately blitzed by him. The majority of Slade's appearances are him fighting streets like Nightwing, or Batman, or Vigilante, or Azrael, or Bronze Tiger, or Deadshot, or Arsenal or Panthra or Eddie Friers or Green Arrow, and having trouble. That isn't to say that he wouldn't beat them in fight, he would, be he has trouble with them, and they are all capable of landing shots on him. That's how fast Slade is, slightly above peak human, and no where near fast enough to hit the Flash.

they dont have near the creditials slade has. You just make up your own comic fact with no real comic evidence to back it. These characters dont do what slade does to speedsters on a consistent basis......not even close. You couldnt prove it because it not true. But then again nothing you say is backed by what actually happened in comics.

nightwing blitzes slade......thats the pis srank. why? because its the opposite of what should happen and what as been shown to be fact in 99% of their showings. any moron can bring up an instant that contradicts a person real power level. its a fact that there will always be low showings in comics. youre exploiting that fact and trying to use slades as a legitamit point in an argument. dumb.

Salade has efforttlessly owned elite street levelers in dc many times. The pis is him haaving trouble with them. You cant even really call it pis because it is almost always explained away through circumstances.

Originally posted by namorsubby
they dont have near the creditials slade has. You just make up your own comic fact with no real comic evidence to back it. These characters dont do what slade does to speedsters on a consistent basis......not even close. You couldnt prove it because it not true. But then again nothing you say is backed by what actually happened in comics.

nightwing blitzes slade......thats the pis srank. why? because its the opposite of what should happen and what as been shown to be fact in 99% of their showings. any moron can bring up an instant that contradicts a person real power level. its a fact that there will always be low showings in comics. youre exploiting that fact and trying to use slades as a legitamit point in an argument. dumb.

Salade has efforttlessly owned elite street levelers in dc many times. The pis is him haaving trouble with them. You cant even really call it pis because it is almost always explained away through circumstances.

Becasue Slade has near lightspeed reactions, right?

Originally posted by namorsubby
they dont have near the creditials slade has. You just make up your own comic fact with no real comic evidence to back it. These characters dont do what slade does to speedsters on a consistent basis......not even close. You couldnt prove it because it not true. But then again nothing you say is backed by what actually happened in comics.

nightwing blitzes slade......thats the pis srank. why? because its the opposite of what should happen and what as been shown to be fact in 99% of their showings. any moron can bring up an instant that contradicts a person real power level. its a fact that there will always be low showings in comics. youre exploiting that fact and trying to use slades as a legitamit point in an argument. dumb.

Salade has efforttlessly owned elite street levelers in dc many times. The pis is him haaving trouble with them. You cant even really call it pis because it is almost always explained away through circumstances.

There is nothing to differentiate the examples of Batman hitting the Flash from Slade doing it.

90% of Slade's showings against Dick are dated and irrelevant. He was a child with little experience and out of his league most of the time he fought Slade. You need to remember it wasn't so long ago that he couldn't land a finger on Batman or Batgirl. It's not PIS that Nightwing didn't get railed like he did when he was sporting a high collar and a pony tail, what it is is character development. He got better. He got a lot better. Slade would still beat him in a fight obviously, but he isn't a teenager any more and is more then capable of making Slade work for a win and frustrate Slade with a combination of speed and agility as he has shown several times.

What elite street leveler has Slade effortlessly owned? Roy? Please, that guy is about as far from elite as one could possibly me. Slade is 1-1 against Bruce. 1-2 if you count the time he was crazy and Batman simply gassed his ass and moved on. And time he did win he fought him for the majority of the issue and was all sorts of hurt when he finally put Batman down. Without prep, skilled streets give Slade all he can handle.