Deathstroke (with Promethium Upgrade) VS Wolverine

please show how nightwing has gotten faster and stronger with comic evidence. You cant keep just conjuring these notions outta thin air without supporting them with something on panel.

Slade has effortlessly beat night throughout both the history. Hes done it multiple times recently. Check my thread.

He beat the crap outta batman in their first fight once he got annoyed. The time batman won they actually had like 3 or 4 different altercations.....slade was casually besting him, even though he kept following and sneak attacking him. Hes clearly been shown superior to the elite streets....easily when hes trying. Just like he tags EVERY character he comes across with immense speed. Theres really no logical argument against it. Im done here

You mean like scans of Nightwing flipping all around Slade while beating the crap out of him and then easily getting away?

pis. any idiot with a basic knowledge of nightwing slade encounters knows this.

Originally posted by namorsubby
pis. any idiot with a basic knowledge of nightwing slade encounters knows this.

And Slade hitting people going lightspeed isn't PIS?

Originally posted by namorsubby
please show how nightwing has gotten faster and stronger with comic evidence. You cant keep just conjuring these notions outta thin air without supporting them with something on panel.

Slade has effortlessly beat night throughout both the history. Hes done it multiple times recently. Check my thread.

He beat the crap outta batman in their first fight once he got annoyed. The time batman won they actually had like 3 or 4 different altercations.....slade was casually besting him, even though he kept following and sneak attacking him. Hes clearly been shown superior to the elite streets....easily when hes trying. Just like he tags EVERY character he comes across with immense speed. Theres really no logical argument against it. Im done here

Compare Nightwing's fights with Deathstroke in the 80s - mid 90s with his fights since his solo series started and it should be pretty clear he is stronger, faster and more skilled. He is a man now, that's what happens. Would you like proof that Red Robin is stronger and faster then when Tim Drake became Robin? Seriously. Slade beating Robin era Dick, and high collar pony tail Dick is irrelevant, Dick is much better now then he was then. It's not PIS that Dick puts up a better fight now, he does it because the Teen Titans was a team of inexperience teenage heroes and they weren't very good and he is no longer a teenager.

He barely beat Batman in a pure melee confrontation, in a fight that took the better part of an issue, even though Batman was trying to reason with him the whole time. And Slade didn't "causally beat" Bruce in their second encounter. The fight went back and forth several times only Batman didn't knee Slade in the balls then runaway while he was on the ground weezing. Slade is above peak human streets but they still put him through the ringer when they fight.

the other obvious point is what can slade (without prep) do to logan that logan isn't going to heal from rather rapidly? slade's only hope (without prep) is getting a quick KO against logan & getting the hell out of there. even with his faster reflexes (which I think are used in conjunction with predicting/timing his attacks) he's going to take damage from logan. if logan goes into a berserk rage slade won't be able to predict or anticipate logan's attacks; even mild telepaths can't read logan when he goes berserk. if this is a battle until one of them is totally wiped out, it would then essentially become a war of healing factors. logan would obviously win this if slade has zero prep. however, slade might win this if it is to a KO. even then, it's unlikely he has the power to KO logan in close combat.

I wonder if Slade ever gets tired of being beaten up by second string streets? 😎

Wow, Roy just went up a few notches.

to say slade is at the level you imply is to discount any feat which contradicts it. Hes barely above streets buts fight them in pairs and groups easily?

I really wish dc would make up their mind on how they wish to potray slade. As long as they remain fickle those who dont favor slade will always cite his lower showings while pretending the other side doesnt exist

You mean the side where he has lightspeed reactions?

Originally posted by namorsubby
to say slade is at the level you imply is to discount any feat which contradicts it. Hes barely above streets buts fight them in pairs and groups easily?

I really wish dc would make up their mind on how they wish to potray slade. As long as they remain fickle those who dont favor slade will always cite his lower showings while pretending the other side doesnt exist

Higgens will give him respect. He even said he was tired of Slade being the villain and losing.

Originally posted by namorsubby
to say slade is at the level you imply is to discount any feat which contradicts it. Hes barely above streets buts fight them in pairs and groups easily?

I really wish dc would make up their mind on how they wish to potray slade. As long as they remain fickle those who dont favor slade will always cite his lower showings while pretending the other side doesnt exist

There isn't a whole lot that needs to be ignored. Most of his more impressive feats involve prep, most of his lesser feats are straight up fights. We just need to recognize the delineation between Slade with prep and Slade without it.

I think the thought process is that the Young Justice, Titans and certain Outsiders roosters don't have the best team work and the end up getting in each others way and tripping over one another, which Slade - as one of the greatest tacticians - is able to exploit. Which is why characters who work well together like Bruce, Dick and Tim rage stomped him in IC 7, but Slade was able to hold off half a dozen or more Titans in the Titans East fight. It's not frequently brought up but the younger teams are supposed to be reckless and lack the discipline of the veteran teams like the JLA and JSA, Batman and GL have both complained about it before.

is there a team busting feat that DS has accomplishded that batman with the same amount of prep couldnt replicate?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Compare Nightwing's fights with Deathstroke in the 80s - mid 90s with his fights since his solo series started and it should be pretty clear he is stronger, faster and more skilled. He is a man now, that's what happens. Would you like proof that Red Robin is stronger and faster then when Tim Drake became Robin? Seriously. Slade beating Robin era Dick, and high collar pony tail Dick is irrelevant, Dick is much better now then he was then. It's not PIS that Dick puts up a better fight now, he does it because the Teen Titans was a team of inexperience teenage heroes and they weren't very good and he is no longer a teenager.

He barely beat Batman in a pure melee confrontation, in a fight that took the better part of an issue, even though Batman was trying to reason with him the whole time. And Slade didn't "causally beat" Bruce in their second encounter. The fight went back and forth several times only Batman didn't knee Slade in the balls then runaway while he was on the ground weezing. Slade is above peak human streets but they still put him through the ringer when they fight.

Srank needs to get Wolverine's adamantium dick out of his ass

Originally posted by truthteller
Double standard much? You say that Nightwing has gotten alot stronger and faster since the 90's but Slade also improved over the past 2 decades as well. The fight your using with Batman from hos solo series was like 20 years ago..Slade only ran after he beat down Batman in DC because he was trying to assassinate someone and Bruce kept getting in his way.

That is assuming that the rate of growth of both characters is even remotely comparable. It's not. Every character in comics improves and hones their skills, but they don't do it equally. Other than Catman, former teen side kick characters allowed to grow up have the most improvement. Arsenal, Speedy, Dick, Tim, Jason. There was a time when Cyclops vs Dick in h2h would have been a decent match up. Is it now? No, Grayson would roll over Scott like a truck. The rate of improvement Dick has had since he was Robin has been enormous, hell the rate of improvement he has had since becoming Batman has in and of its self been impressive. Has Slade gotten better since his inception? Ignoring him recently questioning whether he was losing it and getting sloppy, the answer is almost certainly yes, he has improved. But has he improved lock step with Dick? No.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I wonder if Slade ever gets tired of being beaten up by second string streets? 😎

Which title/number is that?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
That is assuming that the rate of growth of both characters is even remotely comparable. It's not. Every character in comics improves and hones their skills, but they don't do it equally. Other than Catman, former teen side kick characters allowed to grow up have the most improvement. Arsenal, Speedy, Dick, Tim, Jason. There was a time when Cyclops vs Dick in h2h would have been a decent match up. Is it now? No, Grayson would roll over Scott like a truck. The rate of improvement Dick has had since he was Robin has been enormous, hell the rate of improvement he has had since becoming Batman has in and of its self been impressive. Has Slade gotten better since his inception? Ignoring him recently questioning whether he was losing it and getting sloppy, the answer is almost certainly yes, he has improved. But has he improved lock step with Dick? No.

Originally posted by superbatman86
There was never a time where Scott had any sort of chance in a h2h fight with Dick.Ever.

You're mistaken.

Originally posted by superbatman86
There was never a time where Scott had any sort of chance in a h2h fight with Dick.Ever.

Scott would lose more often than not, IMO.