Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Forcing the rich? It's called taxes.
Taxes aren't a Christian invention... in fact Jesus neither condemned nor condoned taxes. His thoughts on it were basically "Meh, if that's what the world's government wants you to do than do it."
So, I don't see how making people give their money to the poor is a Christian belief. Should, maybe, but pressuring someone to do so would be kind of anti-Christian.
Romney.
Bullshit aside he's the guy who's got what it takes to actually pull support from center right and independent voters, and I've seen it suggested many times that most moderate and non-extreme Republicans just really want to see someone who can unseat Obama and who doesn't have a D next to their name.
He's not the ideal candidate for most Republicans, but he's also not a gimmick candidate like Bachman or Paul.
His only real competition that I can see is Perry. But he's got a big head start on Perry in terms of drumming up support and name recognition.
hes a conservative Jew who comes from a military background...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_L._Weinstein
ffs
"Of course, from a historical perspective, Jews have always had the unfortunate role of scapegoat thrust upon them."
He is the founder and president of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF) and author of With God on Our Side: One Man's War Against an Evangelical Coup in America's Military in which he describes his fight against alleged coercive Christian Fundamentalist practices by some members of the military, practices which violate the Constitutional guarantee of religious freedom to which soldiers are entitled by virtue of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.
In the wake of the Fort Hood shooting, Weinstein attracted attention once again to the possibility that a hostile environment dominated by "fundamentalist Christians" constantly trying to proselytize others played some role in contributing to the psychological pressure on Major Nidal Malik Hasan.
In 2006, Mikey Weinstein was named as one of Forward Magazine's "Forward 50", a list of the most influential Jews in America [16].
In addition Mikey was honored by a distinguished civil rights organization Jews for Racial and Economic Justice with the Rabbi Marshall T. Meyer Risk-Taker Award, in honor of having taken extraordinary risks in pursuit of justice.
Weinstein will be named Americans United for Separation of Church and State’s 2011 “Person of the Year” at a meeting of the AU Board of Trustees on Nov. 07, 2011, at a ceremony in Washington, D.C.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
So how did the health care act he passed make the economy worse then it already was. If universal health creates such havoc, how come Canada and the other countries operated just fine with similar healthcare programs?So a lot of people who voted for him wished they did not. That's your entire point on why he's doomed America? The statement can be applied to every president anD elected official throughout history here and abroad. People always regret decisions they make. People are bitter because he didn't go far enough in his promises and is weak. He's giving into the republicans and getting push around. He hasn't changed the status quo; he's giving into it. The other thing is he can fix the economy.
How is the Rublicans pushing him around? He is doing things his way and he should not had made promises he can't keep and it is all about controling everything and everyone around him. I also don't see how the economy been getting any better since he became president.
Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Oh, I didn't realize he was Jewish. His name had me fooled. Now let's read some of that Wikipedia article and perhaps we can suss out some of my contempt for him.Whining.
Self-aggrandizing liberal tolerance bullshit.
Whining and lying.
Wow, it's almost as if I already had formulated an idea of what he would be like in my mind based on his last name, which in turn led me to be dismissive of him--and lo and behold, the idea was pretty accurate. I wonder how that works?
lol
well, at least you are trying to be a caricature
Originally posted by Robtard
Ya, but who's better looking?
Nice.
Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Wow, it's almost as if I already had formulated an idea of what he would be like in my mind based on his last name, which in turn led me to be dismissive of him--and lo and behold, the idea was pretty accurate. I wonder how that works?
lol
I say that this is confirmation bias! RAWR!
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
A failing conspiracy is still conspiracy.I tend to agree, however. From the outside it's easy to look at various far-right Christian groups that would clearly like America to be a theocracy and turn them into unified movement.
ugh, I feel like I do actually want to respond better to this:
Dominionism isn't a conspiracy. A conspiracy implies that there is a group of people somewhere actively plotting a desired goal, and attempting to manipulate the world to achieve it.
Nothing that I have said, that the video I posted said, or really any work on Dominionism I have seen, calls it a conspiracy of any kind. It isn't. Its not a Christian Cabal trying to promote specific governmental interests or trying to take over the white house through back room dealings or whatever. Dominionists, as in the individuals themselves, feel it is their own god given duty, due to the teachings of their faith, to become involved in the highest echelons of government apparatuses. This generally means the political sector, or the military sector, as Dominionist views see the American military as the biblical "good guys" who are going to fight Satan, in our lifetime.
In this respect, there doesn't need to be a conspiracy. Just individual people who feel personally motivated to get into power and use it to promote Christian interpretations of government. Sure, you might say that there are many such groups of all faiths or extreme points of political view, but they haven't achieved anything close to what the Dominionists have.
If you look at the work groups like the one Weinstein formed that promote religious tolerance in the military, you find cases of hundred of thousands of soldiers being given religious tests for service. You see generals preaching that we are bringing democracy and the bible to the Arab world, you see even more accredited generals giving power point presentations where they claim that Satan has literally materialized in some photos. Sure, these are all isolated incidents in that, there is no overarching conspiracy that ties one event to the next in some intentional way, but they are connected in that those involved are most often associated with the very small branch of Christianity that supports Dominionism (I can't remember the sect(s) at the moment...)
Now we see a front-running presidential candidate who holds prayer ceremonies where he invites unapologetic Dominionist pastors to pray that God make the economy better. For as disorganized and non-unifed as the movement might be, you certainly can't argue they are some fringe group on the outside of the mainstream that really only appear to have political influence to outside observers. No, its not people in a smokey black room trying to stage a coup, but the idea that this is merely conspiratorial thinking based on the ideas of some small religious sects is not congruent with pretty plainly obvious evidence.
Something need not be a shadowy gang of people to threaten certain fundamental rights and processes in American power
Santorum mad. He takes no shame in voting for the war in Iraq.