Kyle Rayner & Titans vs. Surfer & Heralds

i can see wally defeating surfer if he uses the sf well. kyle can also take morg and tempest is one of the most powerful on either lineup.

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
Actually, Morg has beaten Surfer before he got the WOL..Morg's a beast here.

Originally posted by aztec
Tempest is a powerful mage on his own right. Did you read OWAW? He along with Raven were able to restore Darkseid's power after he was severly weakend. Raven's soul-self on the other hand, has been able to knock out Supergirl, has been used to teleport and heal other members. Both Tempest and Raven belong here.

Anyway, as far as Firelord is concern he isn't on Kyle's league. Rayner is his superior imho. I place Kyle, Wally and Norrin in the same league. But that's just me.

Raven's soul-self failed on Supergirl completely in Supergirl's ongoing. She tried to take her under her cloak and Kara rendered Raven useless at the hands of psionic feedback.

Surfer is officially skyfather level:

Originally posted by Simbon
Surfer is officially skyfather level:

Now now guys, he shares that feat with Morg... 😆

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
Now now guys, he shares that feat with Morg... 😆

Wow. Just Wow. What will it take for you to admit that Surfer is skyfather level? Peeps like you just hate surfer and don't want to admit how powerful he is; too bad for you Marvel disagrees. Deal with it.

^Surfer at least taps into Trans Level sometimes. Anyway. I know that Raven and Tempest are powerful in their own right but I see them more like supporting chars and in a direct battle I would think the Heralds act faster, with more experiance and more direct power.

Just my opinion^^.

Originally posted by Konton
Raven's soul-self failed on Supergirl completely in Supergirl's ongoing. She tried to take her under her cloak and Kara rendered Raven useless at the hands of psionic feedback.

Read Brave and The Bold "Without Sin". Raven overpowered Supergirl effortlessly without going all out. Kara was surprised that Rachel could outwit her so easily.

Raven also played a pivotal role in OWAW. Darkseid was impress by her sheer power. Then theirs the current incident in Winnick's run. She was able to out perform and overpower her step brothers. Raven's no pushover. Unfortunately, she's often downplayed.

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
If Surfer's only beaten him once, it's 1 to 1. Again, that puts him on his level. And he is above Kyle and Flash just for being on that level.

Batman has defeated Superma, Wonder Woman, The Martian and Flash. Does that mean he's on the same league? 😐

This is the actual order of things:

Kyle > Surfer > Wally > herald chumps >>>>>>>>>> absolute crap titans

Team Surfer 8/10

Originally posted by aztec Read Brave and The Bold "Without Sin". Raven overpowered Supergirl effortlessly without going all out. Kara was surprised that Rachel could outwit her so easily. Raven also played a pivotal role in OWAW. Darkseid was impress by her sheer power. Then theirs the current incident in Winnick's run. She was able to out perform and overpower her step brothers. Raven's no pushover. Unfortunately, she's often downplayed.

darkseid also used tempest in owaw to bfr imperiex. these 2 are more than role players