Originally posted by -Pr-And I listed examples.
Yeah. It's more a "if you had to make punisher and logan beat the other two, how would you do it?" thing, at least, i thought so.
To make this easy, if I would start using low showings and both of you start using legit consistant showings, these consistant showings will simply wash away the low one's which makes the entire argument void.
Example:
Me: Batman sneaked up on Superman before.
You: Superman detected Batman by his haertbeat before and he also has X-Ray vision.
Ironically this would turn into a normal vs. thread. Which Wolv and Pun can't win.
Originally posted by Parmaniac
And I listed examples.To make this easy, if I would start using low showings and both of you start using legit consistant showings, these consistant showings will simply wash away the low one's which makes the entire argument void.
Example:
Me: Batman sneaked up on Superman before.
You: Superman detected Batman by his haertbeat before and he also has X-Ray vision.Ironically this would turn into a normal vs. thread. Which Wolv and Pun can't win.
Not sure about now but it was specifically stated that Batman sneaking up on Superman wasn't PIS because hes done it lots of times.
Originally posted by Silent Master
The Wolverine vs Thor fight also shows that Thor can basically two shot Wolverine any time he wants.
lol
No it didn't. It was all Thor could do to break Wolverine's mind control, his attacks didn't even phase Logan.
Superman and Thor win 10/10. Wolverine can contend with Thor in a pure melee match, but that's it. With full powers at their disposal Superman or Thor can solo this in no time flat with out being hit or breaking a sweat.
Originally posted by Silent Master
And people say that you don't have a sense of humor.
Did you read the comic? He broke Wolverine's mind control so the fight ended. That isn't Thor showing he can "two shot" Wolverine, that is Thor showing he got lucky and snapped Wolverine free of his mind control. Wolverine was completely unphased and had a huge smile on his face. That's what happened. Did you think the fight should have continued with Wolverine free from outside influence?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I remember the time Skrank claimed Thor was giving it all his got in those last two attacks. snicker
Because he was, Thor said so himself. 😎
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Because he was, Thor said so himself. 😎
I'd like to start of by saying that if the writer truly considered that to be the limit of Thor's power, then the fight would lose all credibility. Wolverine was floored for a few moments and otherwise unhurt. I'll be honest though, I wouldn't be surprised if you think that's what should happen.
Thor screaming "Enough." does not translate into "I'm going all out." as Amadeus Cho would point out. Even an angry Thor is noticeably less powerful than all out Thor depending on the situation. He holds back instinctively and has even had trouble cutting loose because he holds himself in check so much. It certainly doesn't help your stance that immediately afterward, Thor asked if Wolverine was unhurt.
I'd also like to point out that Thor has a long history of holding back against (a)Mortals, (b)Allies, and (c)Mind Controlled Allies.
Originally posted by Parmaniac👆
Wolverine's fight against Thor shows that he can sneek up on him, Batman was in the same room as Supes and other heroes noone was able to see or hear him (<- I would leave it to hardcore Wolverine fans to support his stealth skills) Punisher was able to get away from Sentry in Dark Reign who at least in this issue seemed like an exact Supes copy (he even had HV AFAIK only in that issue) Punisher also seems to be able to get access to pretty much everything he needs (Dark Reign arsenal) I think in a neutral or mixed universe where k-nite exists he could grab some maybe that liquid shit Gog used in his spear to inject it into Superman and weaken him enough that an ordinary Uiz was able to shoot through him. Stuff like that.Don't get me wrong I only see a possibility for Punisher and Wolverine with PIS and low showings.
In a straight up fight I couldn't lowball Supes and Thor and wank up Punisher and Wolverine enough to get them a win but in a scenario with PIS I don't see why they shouldn't have a good shot.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'd like to start of by saying that if the writer truly considered that to be the limit of Thor's power, then the fight would lose all credibility. Wolverine was floored for a few moments and otherwise unhurt. I'll be honest though, I wouldn't be surprised if you think that's what should happen.Thor screaming "Enough." does not translate into "I'm going all out." as Amadeus Cho would point out. Even an angry Thor is noticeably less powerful than all out Thor depending on the situation. He holds back instinctively and has even had trouble cutting loose because he holds himself in check so much. It certainly doesn't help your stance that immediately afterward, Thor asked if Wolverine was unhurt.
I'd also like to point out that Thor has a long history of holding back against [b](a)
Mortals, (b)Allies, and (c)Mind Controlled Allies. [/B]
If that fight played out exactly the same, with the same dialogue, only it was Hulk instead of Wolverine, would you still believe that Thor was nerfed or holding back because he couldn't ko Banner with a few attacks? The reality is there is nothing inherently week or inconstant with Thor's power level as depicted in that fight, the only thing you can find fault with is that Wolverine wasn't one shotted. Well guess what? That is Wolverine. Thor's self stated fiercest blows failing to do significant damage to Wolverine is not Thor being under written, it's Wolverine being written, period. That's what Logan does, he fights top tier bricks, and he takes there best shots and he keeps coming. You expecting something different is on you SEVERELY underestimating Wolverine's damage soak, not the writer underestimating Thor's damage capacity.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Because according to the OP; PIS/CIS and SMvsFL feats apply to the Wolverine/Punisher team....it doesn't say that PIS/CIS etc can be used to low-ballSuperman and Thor.
Exactly.
It's a difference between saying "Superman got punched by Batman, so Wolverine can hit him" vs arguing that Wolverine hit Quicksilver in super speed mode, so he can hit Superman...
Originally posted by Silent Master
Actually, if you look at Thor's history...the attacks he used against Wolverine didn't seem very impressive.
Why? Because there wasn't much incidental damage? Thor has had multi-page fights with the Hulk, and done less damage to the surrounding area, and he barely destroy a castle wall when fighting Doomstroyer. Was he holding back in those instances because the percussive force of his attacks didn't level the horizon and sink the west cost? He said he was going all out, he was going all out. There is nothing about failing to ko Wolverine in and off itself that suggests Thor must have been underwritten, because that is just how Wolverine himself is written.