Originally posted by Wodenson
Are you kidding me? The fact that Morg regressed to being a ghetto thug with clever lines like, "Think again, butt-face" and calling Air-Walker a "nerd" should be sufficient.
I mean do you expect every comic to be picture perfect? Something as minor as that doesn't detract from the overall story. What do Morgs comments have to do with Tyrant being a workable character or not anyway?
Originally posted by Sundipped
That's it? Don't see how this is supposed to affect Tyrant. He's used to being in the void of deep space. Absolute 0 temps.
Saying it just creates blizzards is like saying Doctor Strange is just a sorcerer. It is cold enough to freeze the frost giants themselves and was even starting to freeze Odin to death.
Originally posted by celestialdemon
And? Odin operates on a cosmic scale as well, and being a robot doesn't prevent Tyrant from having emotions or feeling pain.
What does that have to do with anything. Odin operates on a cosmic scale but he's still flesh. How else do you explain him mating with Gaea and producing Thor?
Tyrant is a machine. He doesn't eat, breathe, sleep, produce waste, reproduce, get tired, etc.... Tyrant doesn't depend on Asgard, the Eternal Flame, worshipers, etc.. He's powered by the biosphere of every planet in the universe. They are two totally different beings.
Originally posted by celestialdemon
Saying it just creates blizzards is like saying Doctor Strange is just a sorcerer. It is cold enough to freeze the frost giants themselves and was even starting to freeze Odin to death.
Tyrant is powered by abstract scale cosmic energy. It's basically like saying Galactus can be affected by the Casket. Cosmic energy manipulation>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>extreme cold.
Originally posted by Sundipped
Tyrant is powered by abstract scale cosmic energy. It's basically like saying Galactus can be affected by the Casket. Cosmic energy manipulation>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>extreme cold.
No, it's not like saying the same thing. Galactus is a fundamental force of the universe, not an artificially created being. Despite this, Galactus can tire, hunger, sweat, and bleed. We don't know how the casket would affect him (if at all).
The Odinforce is apparently no slouch either as it's giving Galactus a hard time right now. However, even with it, the casket was affecting Odin.
Again, I'm not saying for sure the casket would affect Galactus (or Tyrant). I'm just saying it's not something that should be dismissed outright just because it's "extreme cold", especially since it's an object of magic rather than science.
Originally posted by celestialdemon
No, it's not like saying the same thing. Galactus is a fundamental force of the universe, not an artificially created being. Despite this, Galactus can tire, hunger, sweat, and bleed. We don't know how the casket would affect him (if at all).
But Tyrant does NOT. Not hard to understand.
The Odinforce is apparently no slouch either as it's giving Galactus a hard time right now. However, even with it, the casket was affecting Odin.Again, I'm not saying for sure the casket would affect Galactus (or Tyrant). I'm just saying it's not something that should be dismissed outright just because it's "extreme cold", especially since it's an object of magic rather than science.
And all we're saying, or at least I'm saying, is that we don't know how the casket would affect a non living being that's connected to the biosphere of every planet in the universe. Just because it affected Odin doesn't mean it would Galactus or Tyrant.
Originally posted by zopzop
What does that have to do with anything. Odin operates on a cosmic scale but he's still flesh. How else do you explain him mating with Gaea and producing Thor?Tyrant is a machine. He doesn't eat, breathe, sleep, produce waste, reproduce, get tired, etc.... Tyrant doesn't depend on Asgard, the Eternal Flame, worshipers, etc.. He's powered by the biosphere of every planet in the universe. They are two totally different beings.
What does it have to do with anything? You're saying Tyrant being a robot automatically prevents cold from affecting him, despite the fact that Tyrant still feels pain like any other sentient being would. It's merely an assumption that the casket's cold wouldn't affect him, especially considering the cold is magical in nature.
Originally posted by zopzopAnd all we're saying, or at least I'm saying, is that we don't know how the casket would affect a non living being that's connected to the biosphere of every planet in the universe. Just because it affected Odin doesn't mean it would Galactus or Tyrant.
And I completely agree. I'm just refuting your casual dismissal of the casket's power simply because Tyrant is a cosmic robot.
Originally posted by celestialdemon
And I completely agree. I'm just refuting your casual dismissal of the casket's power simply because Tyrant is a cosmic robot.
I'm not casually dismissing its' power, if it held Odin it's something major. But Odin and Tyrant are two different beings. In fact, you couldn't find two beings more radically different from each other to compare/contrast.
Originally posted by celestialdemon
No, it's not like saying the same thing. Galactus is a fundamental force of the universe, not an artificially created being. Despite this, Galactus can tire, hunger, sweat, and bleed. We don't know how the casket would affect him (if at all).The Odinforce is apparently no slouch either as it's giving Galactus a hard time right now. However, even with it, the casket was affecting Odin.
Again, I'm not saying for sure the casket would affect Galactus (or Tyrant). I'm just saying it's not something that should be dismissed outright just because it's "extreme cold", especially since it's an object of magic rather than science.
It's really simple. Galactus>Casket. You really believe Galactus is gonna freeze to death opposed to any other option?
Power cosmic deals well vs. magic based beings. Big G went head up with a member of the Vishanti. No reason Tyrant can't do the same. He's proved resistance to magic before but to what extent is not known. Safe to say he can compete with high levels since he's an image of his creator.
Originally posted by Sundipped
It's really simple. Galactus>Casket. You really believe Galactus is gonna freeze to death opposed to any other option?
I'm saying I don't know. I would have never guessed Odin could resist Galactus either, but he's doing it now. There's also no reason for Galactus to bleed, but he does.
Originally posted by Sundipped
Power cosmic deals well vs. magic based beings. Big G went head up with a member of the Vishanti. No reason Tyrant can't do the same. He's proved resistance to magic before but to what extent is not known. Safe to say he can compete with high levels since he's an image of his creator.
Yes, Galactus went up against Agamotto, but that doesn't mean much since neither one did much to the other. When did Tyrant prove a resistance to magic?
Originally posted by celestialdemon
I'm saying I don't know. I would have never guessed Odin could resist Galactus either, but he's doing it now. There's also no reason for Galactus to bleed, but he does.Yes, Galactus went up against Agamotto, but that doesn't mean much since neither one did much to the other. When did Tyrant prove a resistance to magic?
Outcome of Odin vs. Galactus to be determined. I'll leave that alone for now.
My point was that power cosmic can compete with magic. Agamotto is a mystical being. Galactus stalemated him in his realm. Agamotto>Sutur so Tyrant should give Surtur the same kinda battle at least.
Stormbreaker bounced off Tyrant with no effect but that's why I said his resistance is not known. I assume that it's high.
Originally posted by Sundipped
Outcome of Odin vs. Galactus to be determined. I'll leave that alone for now.My point was that power cosmic can compete with magic. Agamotto is a mystical being. Galactus stalemated him in his realm. Agamotto>Sutur so Tyrant should give Surtur the same kinda battle at least.
Stormbreaker bounced off Tyrant with no effect but that's why I said his resistance is not known. I assume that it's high.
Yes, it can compete with it, but that doesn't mean it trumps it. Until it's shown one way or the other, we have no idea if the casket would affect Galactus or not.
Yet Surtur w/TS & Casket > Odin, and things aren't looking too favorable for Galactus right now vs Odin. But like you said, we'll know more when it concludes.
Stormbreaker bouncing off Tyrant is more of a physical resistance. Having a magical hammer thrown at you and do nothing seems a lot different than withstanding a magical assault.
Originally posted by celestialdemon
Yes, it can compete with it, but that doesn't mean it trumps it. Until it's shown one way or the other, we have no idea if the casket would affect Galactus or not.Yet Surtur w/TS & Casket > Odin, and things aren't looking too favorable for Galactus right now vs Odin. But like you said, we'll know more when it concludes.
Stormbreaker bouncing off Tyrant is more of a physical resistance. Having a magical hammer thrown at you and do nothing seems a lot different than withstanding a magical assault.
Just because Odin can match Galactus in tp dosen't mean the Casket that beat him will do the same to Big G. I just don't see it causing any real problem.
True it's physical resistence but he was also able to drain it, meaning he's been it contact with magical based beings before. He'll put up a good fight /maybe even win vs. a top notch skyfather level mystic.