The Istari

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Originally posted by Captain REX

Another note they stated was something Tolkien had said.

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Tolkien tells us 'What success they [Alatar and Pallando] had I do not know; but I fear they failed, as Saruman did, though doubtless in different ways; and I suspect they were the founders or beginners of secret cults and 'magic' traditions that outlasted the fall of Sauron.' (The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien, No. 211).

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maybe that would explain if not readily available through no data or information, the belief systems and the cult like order of the Haradrim, and the Easterlings...

the two Istari may have become their mystic or spiritual leader in some way, but since they were the lesser of the five they were easily swayed by sauron...hence their serivitude(the people not the wizards) towards him in all things evil against the free peoples of ME...

Tolkein said that the Blue Istari stayed in the east and established certain cults.

Originally posted by shaber
Tolkein said that the Blue Istari stayed in the east and established certain cults.

The idea about the cults is really by Tolkien himself?? 😑
I always thought that was fanfiction, maybe based on some vague phrasings in the Istari-chapter... perhaps I should read it again 😄

i don't think there is an offical explaination for the blue wizards. Tolkien probaly died before he came up with an idea for what to do with them.

Didn't he just write that he "didnt know" what happened them, and gave some possible explanations about their fates, like that maybe they later served Sauron or died or whatever?

in a way, it's kind of a good thing we don't know what happens to the. The mystery makes them cooler

His son Christopher Tolkein wrote that JRR Tolkein said something to the effect of "...I can envision them having started various cults..." or it might have been "...certain cults..."

At the very least we may never know the truth of it. But it is a very fanciful idea to say the least.

Yeah, all of that info is in the Unfinished Tales book....but thats cool.....
~Hey Captaon Rex, can you pm me the internet address for that site? Tanks.~

PM him. This thead is very old. He hasn't been here in a long time

Okay.

the last book tolkien wrote "The New Shadow" isint it about some cults???

Never heard of it 🙁

I think it was Sauron who told us that he suspected that Saruman took the blue wizards to the east and asked them to join his evil conquest and devour the ring of power......they denied and so saruman killed them

I think thats what he guessed, I most have to say this could be infact a great guess ✅

Don't think the Maiar could be killed so easily so prematurely

Originally posted by shaber
Don't think the Maiar could be killed so easily so prematurely

their physical bodies die, not their metaphysical selves. unless iluvatar wills it then their form disperses in the wind like saruman at the end and most likely so did sauron when the ring was destroyed.

As for saruman killing them, that's pure speculation. we can only guess as to what may or may not have happened to the other wizards.

The story of the Ring was not far advanced enough for them to be murdered and neither were Saruman's treacherous plots.

Originally posted by shaber
The story of the Ring was not far advanced enough for them to be murdered and neither were Saruman's treacherous plots.

more than likely the fate of the others and Saruman's plot would have to have taken place before the war of the ring and after Sauron lost the ring. the istari did not appear until after the first age.