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Originally posted by Galan007
Direct sunlight. It's as blatant as it gets... Unless you'd like to ignore the reflection of the sun gleaming in Prime's eyes, accompanied by full body illumination/shadow-casting seen in the scans. /shrug
Again, I find there to be a distinction between creeping sunlight halo peering over the horizon and direct sunlight. As illustrated by the fact that there was also a creeping sunrise halo over Coast City that was meaningless to Prime. I understand where you're coming from. Prime getting his dramatic boost from a single ray of direct sunshine tends against it sharply. But yeah, we've both said our piece on this issue before.
Originally posted by Galan007
This, again, is assuming that Prime was at "full power" vs. Ion- which likely wasn't the case (imo.) Either way, there's no need to get into THIS part of things again- I think we beat that horse to death.But getting back to what I was saying: The team Prime steamrolled through during SCW (essentially the entire JLA/JSA line-ups + more) was vastly superior to the team that beat Prime with a fair amount of ease in TT. We are both in agreement there, it seems. That said, if he wasn't even at full power when he smacked around the aforementioned [more powerful] team-up in SCW, then logic should tell you how depowered he was in TT.
Logic informs me that what always looked like inverse-ninja law to me, clearly was inverse-ninja law. Otherwise, a healthy Sodam Yat is comparable to that
SCW superhero lineup. Otherwise, WWIII Black Adam is a "PC Kryptnonian."
Originally posted by Galan007
You are mistaken.It takes more than just the suit to make Prime 'nearly whole'. He must also be exposed to direct yellow sunlight- something he never came in contact with during TT.
Between our disagreements on when he appears whole or nearly whole and when he benefits from sunlight, we're never agreeing on this. To me, the most important points are that your excuses come with three glaring caveats:
(i) for whatever reason, bathing in direct sunlight for hours with his suit didn't make him whole so his sunlight absorption is hella slow, but he recveived a dramatic boost to his power from a single ray of sunshine touching his hand;
(ii) Superman Prime is especially immune to inverse-ninja law but for some reason Ion Sodam Yat doesn't benefit from it within the same story-arc;
(iii) in
Teen Titans, he completely no-sold Red Star's attack -- who had him screaming in pain in
SCW -- but whatever.
And that's wholly separate and apart from the glaring absence of any intimation/indication that Superman Prime was substantially depowered in Teen Titans.
Originally posted by Bentley
Well, those are his more impressive feats and he pulled them in succession with no signs of slowing down. Calling things jobbing, emphasizing "lead poisoning" and "dying" isn't anymore simple nor elegant than just taking the best feats to face value after he touched the sunlight.I see from where you're coming, as the separation between fighting under sunlight or not may seem artificial, but it was clearly depicted -through art- that it was a game changer when it happened.
His best feats at face value are still when he isn't under direct sunlight. So I don't see how comparing feats is doing anything other than advancing my position.
Of course it was a game-changer when it happened. A dramatic one. Because in one moment, he was depleted, stripped of his armor and approaching utter depowerment, and in the next, he was restored by the sunlight.
