Originally posted by Galan007Hal shouldn't be that impressive, damn it. Stop, Galan!
Crikey. Hal overrode the safeguards of his ring. That's it.Tampering with the Ion entity to produce the same effect was not mentioned, or even alluded to.
Either way, I don't really understand how showing that since Krona had Ion to control the specific type of energy Hal directed at him, plus all of the other entities and the Guardian power and still was killed by Hal proves that Hal's blast was less potent? In the way that I don't understand how in a fight against somebody who he doesn't have to also surpass the ring's 'no-kill' limitation he'd have a less potent blast than against someone he had to?
Anyway, the excuses are frankly ridiculous. They don't want to say that Thanos wins, so in order not to demean him by losing to Krona, who was beaten by Hal, the go to demean Hal, when the feat was quite clear-cut.
Quite sad.
Originally posted by Philosoph铆a
Anyway, the excuses are frankly ridiculous. They don't want to say that Thanos wins, so in order not to demean him by losing to Krona, who was beaten by Hal, the go to demean Hal, when the fear was quite clear-cut.Quite sad.
I don't think anyone is demeaning Hal. If you ask me, Hal's Krona-buster was more powerful than anything Thanos could muster.
I also think Krona was playing with Hal and company. He could have killed them at any time. PIS will be PIS though.
Originally posted by Philosoph铆a
Hal shouldn't be that impressive, damn it. Stop, Galan!Either way, I don't really understand how showing that since Krona had Ion to control the specific type of energy Hal directed at him, plus all of the other entities and the Guardian power and still was killed by Hal proves that Hal's blast was less potent? In the way that I don't understand how in a fight against somebody who he doesn't have to also surpass the ring's 'no-kill' limitation he'd have a less potent blast than against someone he had to?
Anyway, the excuses are frankly ridiculous. They don't want to say that Thanos wins, so in order not to demean him by losing to Krona, who was beaten by Hal, the go to demean Hal, when the feat was quite clear-cut.
Quite sad.
Because...it doesn't? Which is what I've been saying the whole time: that Hal's feat/showing against Krona is great. Personally, I feel it's great for reasons aside from the blasts power level, which, again, I've said is pretty high. Hal overcame the ring's protocol, managed to get through Ion, and one shot killed Krona. There's nothing to downplay because it's an awesome feat.
I just don't personally think you can replace Krona with anyone and get the exact same results. And that doesn't take anything away from Hal Jordan at all. As far as Thanos goes, considering his immortality gimmick, I don't think Hal would outright slay him. But he's not tanking that shit.
And who's "they" that doesn't want to say Thanos wins? And who's demeaning Hal out of some kind of Thanos related agenda?
I don't see Quan here.
Either way, we all pretty much agree that Krona wins this and that Hal's feat is a top level one. No one's taking or trying to take away from that. Personally, I feel the context involved in that feat makes it so you really can't just replace Krona with any other random elite level Trans/Skyfather bad guy and expect Hal's willpower to surge forth and just one shot kill him...which I guess is tantamount to saying the blast sucked (even though I never claimed that it did and said the opposite more than once). I guess that's me "downplaying" Hal Jordan to serve the "Thanos Agenda". 馃槓
Originally posted by JakeTheBankIt's good to see you've left your whole argument, once you saw it falling down, screaming in flames. Because at first you weren't outright saying that anything related to Thanos is what would prevent the blast from killing him, but the context in which the blast took place means it wouldn't be the same against Thanos (which it would, the only thing that arguably differs is how Thanos takes it).
As far as Thanos goes, considering his immortality gimmick, I don't think Hal would outright slay him. But he's not tanking that shit.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
The context behind Hal's "Krona Killer" makes me think that it wouldn't be as effective if Krona had been replaced by Thanos or whatever elite villain you could think of.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I personally don't think the blast itself was so much powerful as its properties were capable to blast through those specific defenses. It's a great feat for Hal, still.
Anyway, I'm bored of laughing at your stealth attempts at vaguely attacking this feat.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankAre you now saying that Hal is now incapable of summoning the same amount of willpower? Can you stick with one argument, or are you throwing shit at the wall, hoping some of it will get hard and stick?
Personally, I feel the context involved in that feat makes it so you really can't just replace Krona with any other random elite level Trans/Skyfather bad guy and expect Hal's willpower to surge forth and just one shot kill him...which I guess is tantamount to saying the blast sucked (even though I
Originally posted by Philosoph铆a
It's good to see you've left your whole argument, once you saw it falling down, screaming in flames. Because at first you weren't outright saying that anything related to Thanos is what would prevent the blast from killing him, but the context in which the blast took place means it wouldn't be the same against Thanos (which it would, the only thing that arguably differs is how Thanos takes it).Anyway, I'm bored of laughing at your stealth attempts (IRONY) at vaguely attacking this feat.
Lol.
Shut up, Phil.
Because we all know I'm one of the Thanos marks on KMC. duryes
Originally posted by Philosoph铆a
It's good to see you've left your whole argument, once you saw it falling down, screaming in flames.
Speaking of flames, that's all you're doing here. 馃槈
Jake's scans definitely lend credibility to his theory, which isn't a bad one when you stop ignoring the parts where he acknowledges the raw power in Hal's blast.
Originally posted by CogitoHe doesn't. Basically he says "yeah, it's powerful" but at the same time, he's saying that it's shit because it wouldn't work against anybody else because "context!!".
acknowledges the raw power in Hal's blast.
Originally posted by CogitoBecause only fanboys that are also idiots would say that he doesn't. That has nothing to do with it.
Srsly. Even Thanos' second biggest fan here said Krona wins. 馃槙