Sons of God

KJV is garbage as well. To the early christians, every church had its own holy canon and yet these books so important to the true christians, are cast out as "apocrypha". Paul thought the book of jubilees was holy writ and yet christians ignore it. Muslims had the right idea and wrote the Koran as fast as they could, any religion that waits 200 years to codify has lost its claim to inspiration in my eye. And the only version of christianity that makes a whits worth of sense to me is gnostic christianity, with its own gnostic books.

Originally posted by King Kandy
KJV is garbage as well. To the early christians, every church had its own holy canon and yet these books so important to the true christians, are cast out as "apocrypha". Paul thought the book of jubilees was holy writ and yet christians ignore it. Muslims had the right idea and wrote the Koran as fast as they could, any religion that waits 200 years to codify has lost its claim to inspiration in my eye. And the only version of christianity that makes a whits worth of sense to me is gnostic christianity, with its own gnostic books.

The Current Bible that is close to the original scrolls is the KJV, for it scrolls Majority Text or Receive Text and Textus Repcetus came from the heart bed of Christianity which was Rome, Antioch, Asia Minor, Jerusalem etc where the Apostles roamed during their ministry, any scrolls that came out Alexandra Egypt are corrupt and are gnostic in nature like Vaticanus and Sinaiticus, these two are from the pits of Hell . The first Book of New Testament was written 50 Ad which was Matthew 20 yrs after Jesus Christ ascension into Heaven and to the last book book of Revelation which was written between 90-95 AD.

During the time of Book of Matthew was written up to the book of Jude all the witnesses were still alive, 500 people plus 12(includes paul) witnesses Jesus Christ risen and walking around among the people for 40 days with his disciples, the Bible is more credible than the Book of Koran.

The Koran was written 200 yrs after Mohammad death, gnostic Christianity books are garbage for they weren't by other people not from the books were name after, the Book of James, Mary, Judas, Peter are fake and contradicts the word of God.

Originally posted by the Darkone
The Current Bible that is close to the original scrolls is the KJV, for it scrolls Majority Text or Receive Text and Textus Repcetus came from the heart bed of Christianity which was Rome, Antioch, Asia Minor, Jerusalem etc where the Apostles roamed during their ministry, any scrolls that came out Alexandra Egypt are corrupt and are gnostic in nature like Vaticanus and Sinaiticus, these two are from the pits of Hell . The first Book of New Testament was written 50 Ad which was Matthew 20 yrs after Jesus Christ ascension into Heaven and to the last book book of Revelation which was written between 90-95 AD.

Originally posted by the Darkone
The Koran was written 200 yrs after Mohammad death,

Originally posted by the Darkone
gnostic Christianity books are garbage for they weren't by other people not from the books were name after, the Book of James, Mary, Judas, Peter are fake and contradicts the word of God.

Originally posted by the Darkone
The Current Bible that is close to the original scrolls is the KJV, for it scrolls Majority Text or Receive Text and Textus Repcetus came from the heart bed of Christianity which was Rome, Antioch, Asia Minor, Jerusalem etc where the Apostles roamed during their ministry, any scrolls that came out Alexandra Egypt are corrupt and are gnostic in nature like Vaticanus and Sinaiticus, these two are from the pits of Hell . The first Book of New Testament was written 50 Ad which was Matthew 20 yrs after Jesus Christ ascension into Heaven and to the last book book of Revelation which was written between 90-95 AD.

During the time of Book of Matthew was written up to the book of Jude all the witnesses were still alive, 500 people plus 12(includes paul) witnesses Jesus Christ risen and walking around among the people for 40 days with his disciples, the Bible is more credible than the Book of Koran.

The Koran was written 200 yrs after Mohammad death, gnostic Christianity books are garbage for they weren't by other people not from the books were name after, the Book of James, Mary, Judas, Peter are fake and contradicts the word of God.

Sidenote:

Elohim was also a plural ancient word for gods and not singular. Only time it appears in all of history where Elohim is considered singular is in the old testament. In ancient religions of the Canaanites and various desert religions Elohim is the name of pantheon of gods..

the name El would be singular for the father of the Elohim. >_>

Watch at 34:40

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-820380763887160689#docid=-3048879793791495094

according to BIble the Son mean the follower according to it every one who worship God almighty or follow HIS Sayings he is Son of GOd, it does not mean that he has taken birth to God but he was born by GOd.
Almighty God is only ONE He has no Son as we consider in general language.
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Originally posted by Methew586
according to BIble the Son mean the follower according to it every one who worship God almighty or follow HIS Sayings he is Son of GOd, it does not mean that he has taken birth to God but he was born by GOd.
Almighty God is only ONE He has no Son as we consider in general language.
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this is completely irrelevant and non supportive. Do you have any passages verses by God, Yeshua or his Elohim to make such a statement.

Originally posted by Nietzschean
Yeshua never claimed nor confirmed that he was the Son of God. Refusal to answer by omission does not mean he must be Son of God or God made flesh.

You will never find him making the claim in the bible. In fact you will find quite the opposite of him not being the only begotten Son of God by his own words.

John 10:34-35 34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

and

Psalms 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

In various scriptural text in and out of the bible canon you will find that God had many Sons, his angels were referred to as the Son's of God.

Adding this the Celestial Host and Council of Gods along with acknowledgment of foreign gods, it is clear that the Judeo Religion cannot really be viewed as a Monotheistic Religion in the strictest sense of the word.

Discuss.

If we take the metaphorical approach than it should be applied evenly across the board which would mean that Yeshua is not really the Son of God either and is simply referring to his innate goodness and kindness. <_<

Jesus was a Bodhisattva, back then.

Where does this nonsense about the Apocrypha being canon start?

The Apocrypha is held in high esteem by the Roman Catholic Church, which was established during the reign of Emperor Constantine. Hardly "early" Christianity. And anyway, Catholics believe that Mary is some sort of goddess, and venerate her above the Lord Jesus Christ. Hardly "Christian".

And where are you getting the notion that Paul considered the Apocrypha "holy" in any way? The Apocrypha contradicts Scripture in several places, such as here:

"Water will quench a flaming fire; and alms maketh an atonement for sin" (Sirach 3:30)

"And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission." (Hebrews 9:22)

"For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul."

That's just one in a multitude of contradictions. The Apocrypha is a group of Catholic manuscripts that promote Catholic doctrine, but completely contradict Scripture (much like everything else they do)

Originally posted by Bat Dude
And anyway, Catholics believe that Mary is some sort of goddess, and venerate her above the Lord Jesus Christ. Hardly "Christian".

The whole reason they revere Mary is her connection to Jesus, the other way around makes no sense to a patriarchal establishment like the Church. 😆

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Lmfao no they don't.

The whole reason they revere Mary is her connection to Jesus, the other way around makes no sense to a patriarchal establishment like the Church. 😆

Uh, yes, they do:

As if SHE died on the cross.

It says Co-Redemtrix, and Mediatrix. As if you reach God through Jesus AND Mary.

The Bible says JESUS is the Mediator between God and men. (1 Timothy 2:5) It also says that Jesus is the only name by which one can be saved. (Acts 4:12)

They claim she never sinned. The Bible says that all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. (Romans 3:23) Only Jesus was without sin. (1 Peter 1:19)

You are both right.

Originally posted by Bat Dude
Uh, yes, they do:

As if SHE died on the cross.

It says Co-Redemtrix, and Mediatrix. As if you reach God through Jesus AND Mary.

The Bible says JESUS is the Mediator between God and men. (1 Timothy 2:5) It also says that Jesus is the only name by which one can be saved. (Acts 4:12)

They claim she never sinned. The Bible says that all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. (Romans 3:23) Only Jesus was without sin. (1 Peter 1:19)

Lulz.

Seriously man, you can't make sweeping generalizations about more than a billion people based on the whacked out beliefs of a few select strawmen.

In either case I don't care, Catholics (and Christians in general) have enough stupid beliefs without you inventing more.

Wow.

Venerating can be far from worship.
sure u can find groups of ppl who worship Mary and u can probably find even more ppl who worship Jesus.

but, the Catholic Doctrine does not teach the worship of Mary or that she is above Jesus or God.

if your whole arguments are some religious painting that u consider to be worshiping u dont have much of an argument especially if u are using it to generalize an entire religious group like Catholicism

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Are any of these from the Roman Catholic Church or do any of them reflect the beliefs of most Catholics? Oh yeah...no.

Lulz.

Seriously man, you can't make sweeping generalizations about more than a billion people based on the whacked out beliefs of a few select strawmen.

In either case I don't care, Catholics (and Christians in general) have enough stupid beliefs without you inventing more.

The Pope venerates the "Lady of all Nations" and says she was spotless of sin. The Bible says otherwise. The Bible even mentions Mary going into a Jewish temple to make a sin offering (Luke 2:22)

“That is why the people of God, pilgrims in time, turn to their heavenly mother and ask for her help,” explained Pope Benedict.

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-highlights-marys-role-as-woman-of-the-apocalypse/

So? Catholics also officially hold that the Pope is infallible. Doesn't mean they think the Pope is equal to or greater than Jesus. Besides, "spotless of sin" could just be another way of saying she was a virgin.

My understanding of Catholic dogma is that Mary is first among equals among the Saints and Apostles with Jesus being above all of them.

Do you believe in interpreting the Bible literally?

Mary is/was no doubt an awesome mom. She's not perfect, however.

She was not perfect because she got nervous about a wedding she was the patron over (or something) and had Jesus turn some water to wine.

On a side note, Jesus is the best person to bring to a party: all water becomes the drinks.....

and if anyone gets hurt doing stupid crap....

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Lol. There are surviving Korans from within a decade or so of his lifetime.

Originally posted by King Kandy

Completely wrong, it was completed within twenty.

Sorry, wrong. First canonised Qur'an was written in around 8th or 9th century...about 100 or 200 years after the death of Muhammad.

In fact, the oldest Qur'an we have today is from 150-160 years after Muhammad's death and there are no evidence that any other Qur'an existed before then.

Even then, the verses about stoning, according to Muhammad's wife Aisha, were eaten by a goat when she left her chamber for a bit, so part of the Qur'an revelation ended up inside a goat.
And this is just the admitted part.

Originally posted by the Darkone
The Current Bible that is close to the original scrolls is the KJV, for it scrolls Majority Text or Receive Text and Textus Repcetus came from the heart bed of Christianity which was Rome, Antioch, Asia Minor, Jerusalem etc where the Apostles roamed during their ministry, any scrolls that came out Alexandra Egypt are corrupt and are gnostic in nature like Vaticanus and Sinaiticus, these two are from the pits of Hell . The first Book of New Testament was written 50 Ad which was Matthew 20 yrs after Jesus Christ ascension into Heaven and to the last book book of Revelation which was written between 90-95 AD.

During the time of Book of Matthew was written up to the book of Jude all the witnesses were still alive, 500 people plus 12(includes paul) witnesses Jesus Christ risen and walking around among the people for 40 days with his disciples, the Bible is more credible than the Book of Koran.

The Koran was written 200 yrs after Mohammad death, gnostic Christianity books are garbage for they weren't by other people not from the books were name after, the Book of James, Mary, Judas, Peter are fake and contradicts the word of God.

Oh right, gnostic books are from pits of Hell. Makes perfect sense.

You do release that all which was considered too difficult to explain to the population or too abstract in the teachings of Jesus and his followers was scrapped from the Bible. Bible isn't perfect in it's 'preservation' (whatever that means) beginning from the Old Testament all the way to the New Testament.

Jesus would be closer to gnostic than he is to baptist or protestant teachings.