Originally posted by carver9a.) T'was an asteroid.
Grey Hulk busted a planet twice the size of Earth. 😕
Idiocy like that makes me laugh, most enthusiastically. ermmnone
Originally posted by dmills
I was being facetious in referencing the hilarious history of Surfer easily beating Hulk, Hulk beating Thor and Thor beating Surfer.
I know I'm being fanboyish but Hulk doesn't have a history of beating Thor. They do however history of going toe to toe for extended periods of time. Even when Thor fights purely like a brick. If Surfer approached Hulk in the same manner as Thor, he'd get wrecked, but if Thor approached Hulk in the same manner as Surfer he'd wreck the Green retard.
Thor > Surfer > Hulk >/= Thor fighting like a brick
That's speaking historically. Since World War Hulk, Hulk has seen a rise in power much to the disappointment of many. Hulk fans have grown insufferable lately.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusMeh, Surfer's KO'ed Hulk twice with common attacks, and Hulk never actually really hurt Surfer until Planet Hulk...
I know I'm being fanboyish but Hulk doesn't have a history of beating Thor. They do however history of going toe to toe for extended periods of time. Even when Thor fights purely like a brick. If Surfer approached Hulk in the same manner as Thor, he'd get wrecked, but if Thor approached Hulk in the same manner as Surfer he'd wreck the Green retard.Thor > Surfer > Hulk >/= Thor fighting like a brick
That's speaking historically. Since World War Hulk, Hulk has seen a rise in power much to the disappointment of many. Hulk fans have grown insufferable lately.
It's just one of those things Rage. The type of attacks Surfer's used to KO Hulk show that if he went at it like Thor does, he'd leave Hulk as a smoldering mess. Just one of those things
Surfer can casually dismiss Hulk as easily as he'd like, but he'll never easily beat Thor, and apparently never without outside shit beat him period
Originally posted by Galan007
a.) T'was an asteroid.
b.) Only someone as delusional as yourself would try to use that ridiculous instance as admissible 'Hulk-proof'. Christ, if Joe Fixit is a planet-buster+, then Thing must be a planet-buster[b]++ (he beat the bejesus out of Joe, after all.)Idiocy like that makes me laugh, most enthusiastically. ermmnone [/B]
If it makes you feel better, Grey Hulk had no definable limit similar to Savage Hulk. It was simply much harder for him to reacher higher levels of power. His anger wasn't easily triggered and wasn't as emotional as the other incarnations.
It's been a while since I read the story but if it was some random writer, I'm betting he just wanted an Elite strong men who could realistically operate on that level and the Hulk fits the bill.
For the record, an amped Thing took down Grey Hulk, and Grey Hulk managed a win in the second round.
I'm not saying it made a lot of sense, Hulk wasn't extremely angry, but I wouldn't put in the Thor/Bullet, Surfer/Panther category. At least personally.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Meh, Surfer's KO'ed Hulk twice with common attacks, and Hulk never actually really hurt Surfer until Planet Hulk...It's just one of those things Rage. The type of attacks Surfer's used to KO Hulk show that if he went at it like Thor does, he'd leave Hulk as a smoldering mess. Just one of those things
Surfer can casually dismiss Hulk as easily as he'd like, but he'll never easily beat Thor, and apparently never without outside shit beat him period
Do you have access to scans? I haven't reviewed there fights in some time.
From what I remember though, I didn't get the impression that Surfer would take out the Hulk hand to hand. Their respective history would suggest to the opposite to me. I do remember Surfer coating himself in Power to protect himself from Hulk's blows or something similar but that's about the extent of it.
For the record, Planet Hulk isn't the only time Hulk has come out looking good against the Surfer. I remember there was a scene in the Defenders where Hulk's power broke a sphere that the Surfer's Power Cosmic could not or whatever.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Meh, Surfer's KO'ed Hulk twice with common attacks, and Hulk never actually really hurt Surfer until Planet Hulk...It's just one of those things Rage. The type of attacks Surfer's used to KO Hulk show that if he went at it like Thor does, he'd leave Hulk as a smoldering mess. Just one of those things
Surfer can casually dismiss Hulk as easily as he'd like, but he'll never easily beat Thor, and apparently never without outside shit beat him period
And even in Planet Hulk, the Surfer showed that even without PC he can still battle Banner and his team and bring it to him physically. I don't get why blasters like Surfer get dissed strength wise. That dude recently stopped Thor's strike mid swing for goodness sake. What's he got to do for peeps to realize he's pretty damn strong too.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusI'll look, but off the top of my head, when he took Hulk's best blow to no effect, and boarded him in the head, and when he blasted him and IIRC barely hit that KO'ed Hulk.
Do you have access to scans? I haven't reviewed there fights in some time.I've personally never gotten the impression Surfer would take out the Hulk hand to hand. Their respective history would suggest to the opposite to me.
For the record, Planet Hulk isn't the only time Hulk has come out looking good against the Surfer. I remember there was a scene in the Defenders where Hulk's power broke a sphere that the Surfer's Power Cosmic could not or whatever.
He'd do well there, but that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying if he went toe to toe with Hulk and used common attacks that he uses, he would crush Hulk.
Meh, that's not against each other though. Before Planet Hulk, Hulk never actually hurt Surfer at all from what I remember. And it's not like he hasn't landed hits. I mean, the guy was stomping on Surfer's head to no effect before Surfer raised a field.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusExcuses. My only point is that you'd be the literal definition of an idiot to believe Joe is a legitimate planet-buster+. Pineapple Thing physically dominated him in a purely h2h match- does that mean Thing is a planet-buster++ by proxy? Phuck no.
If it makes you feel better, Grey Hulk had no definable limit similar to Savage Hulk. It was simply much harder for him to reacher higher levels of power. His anger wasn't easily triggered and wasn't as emotional as the other incarnations.It's been a while since I read the story but if it was some random writer, I'm betting he just wanted an Elite strong men who could realistically operate on that level and the Hulk fits the bill.
For the record, an amped Thing took down Grey Hulk, and Grey Hulk managed a win in the second round.
I'm not saying it made a lot of sense, Hulk wasn't extremely angry, but I wouldn't put in the Thor/Bullet, Surfer/Panther category. At least personally.
...And Joe only 'beat' Thing in their second round by utilizing the battlefield to gain the element of surprise- as he knew he was no match for Thing in a h2h melee.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
I'll look, but off the top of my head, when he took Hulk's best blow to no effect, and boarded him in the back of the head, and when he blasted him and IIRC barely hit that KO'ed Hulk.He'd do well there, but that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying if he went toe to toe with Hulk and used common attacks that he uses, he would crush Hulk.
Meh, that's not against each other though. Before Planet Hulk, Hulk never actually hurt Surfer at all from what I remember. And it's not like he hasn't landed hits.
That was their very first fight right? That's the only time I remember him knocking Hulk out straight up. Took him out with the board I believe after Hulk struck him. I haven't read their old school battles some time so I can't get too specific.
I don't know how true that is. It's definitely not the case for the last decade or two.
That's not the only time I recall Hulk coming off as impressive against Surfer. IIRC, Surfer/Namor couldn't do much during the Order until he calmed down or something similar.
Anyways, my main point is that Hulk doesn't have a history of beating Thor. And that if Surfer tried to go punch for punch with the Hulk, he wouldn't come out on top. He's invulnerability will keep him in the game similar to his battle with the dying Heroes Reborn Hulk but he's simply not winning.
Edit: Found these scans:
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/3982/story2page02eq7.jpg
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/4646/story2page03dn9.jpg
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusA couple fights from them:
That was their very first fight right? That's the only time I remember him knocking Hulk out straight up. I haven't read their old school battles some time so I can't get too specific.I don't know how true that is. It's definitely not the case for the last decade or two.
That's not the only time I recall Hulk coming off as impressive against Surfer. IIRC, Surfer/Namor couldn't do squat during the Order until he calmed down or something similar.
Anyways, my main point is that Hulk doesn't have a history of beating Thor. Another point I was trying to make is that if Surfer tried to go punch for punch with the Hulk, he'd go down. He's invulnerability will keep him in the game similar to his battle with the dying Heroes Reborn Hulk but he'd go down.
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All he did was throw around Namor and Surfer, because they tried to hold him down.
Oh I realize. I was one of the first people who posted all of their fights on this forum.
Oh, I'm not saying he'd beat Hulk in a fisticuff matchup, but he would utterly obliterate him if he used his blasts and board while he wasn't holding back
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
A couple fights from them:
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Thanks for the scan. I didn't remember the second knock out, weird. Although that fight showed that even back then Hulk could hurt Surfer with a punch.
I'd also like to point out that Surfer was amped in that last scan before someone runs wild with it.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
All he did was throw around Namor and Surfer, because they tried to hold him down.
I don't remember the specifics but I do remember being impressed. IIRC he came off stronger if nothing else.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Oh, I'm not saying he'd beat Hulk in a fisticuff matchup, but he would utterly obliterate him if he used his blasts and board.
He'd definitely take the majority but Hulk has reached a point where he'd stand up to Surfer's blasts for extended periods, even if it was modern day Savage or whatever.
Do you have the battle with the dying Bannerless Hulk? They both come out looking good. Banner stands up to Surfer's attacks and vise versa.
Originally posted by Galan007Just because someone busted up a planet that doesn't translate into stomping non planet busters. In all these years I'd have hoped you'd have figured out feats aren't the end all be all comparisons are. Hulk is simply beyond them. The put up a good fight but the guy will stomp a mudhole through them once he gets a hold of them. Bill got worked by the Surfer himself while holding back.
a.) T'was an asteroid.
b.) Only someone as delusional as yourself would try to use that ridiculous instance as admissible 'Hulk-proof'. Christ, if Joe Fixit is a planet-buster+, then Thing must be a planet-buster[b]++ (he beat the bejesus out of Joe, after all.)Idiocy like that makes me laugh, most enthusiastically. ermmnone [/B]
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusNot really. He didn't do much to Surfer except move his head or body.
Thanks for the scan. I didn't remember the second knock out, weird. Although that fight showed that even back then Hulk could hurt Surfer with a punch.I'd also like to point out that Surfer was amped in that last scan before someone runs wild with it.
I don't remember the specifics but I do remember being impressed. IIRC he came off stronger if nothing else.
He'd definitely take the majority but Hulk has reached a point where he'd stand up to Surfer's blasts for extended periods, even if it was modern day Savage or whatever.
Do you have the battle with the dying Bannerless Hulk? They both come out looking good. Banner stands up to Surfer's attacks and vise versa.
Ya, it says it in the scan. It was just the only part of the fight I had in my photobucket
He was def stronger than both. Hulk has thrown around Surfer a couple times, he's just never really hurt him
Surfer not holding back like he always had against Hulk would likely one shot him... especially with the way he's written now. Surfer against say WWH though would have to exert some force
Probably, but it would be buried in my photobucket even worse than those scans were. The only significant attacks Surfer used were the board trick that severely hurt Hulk, and draining him that he cut off so he wouldn't kill him, and that happened in the first half. Second half was pretty much Surfer doing nothing, and Hulk not being able to do anything.
It did show Hulk was more powerful though, and compare that to Surfer trying against Thor currently... that Thor is way more powerful and more durable. Which begs the question of why doesn't Thor molest Hulk... but alas, ABC
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Not really. He didn't do much to Surfer except move his head or body.
Surfer felt this punch:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/SurfervsHulk4.jpg
There's no denying that.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Ya, it says it in the scan. It was just the only part of the fight I had in my photobucket
Just wanted to make it clear, you know how some posters are.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
He was def stronger than both. Hulk has thrown around Surfer a couple times, he's just never really hurt him
Cool. I just remember them trying to restrain him and getting out-muscled or whatever.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Surfer not holding back like he always had against Hulk would likely one shot him... especially with the way he's written now. Surfer against say WWH though would have to exert some force
I don't know how you could believe that.
I'm not sure Surfer could put down Green Scar even if he wanted to. He was simply ridiculously powerful. If Surfer had more raw power than an all out Sentry, it definitely wasn't by any large degree.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Probably, but it would be buried in my photobucket even worse than those scans were. The only significant attacks Surfer used were the board trick that severely hurt Hulk, and draining him that he cut off so he wouldn't kill him, and that happened in the first half. Second half was pretty much Surfer doing nothing, and Hulk not being able to do anything.
It did show Hulk was more powerful though
IIRC, he was blasting him and Hulk tanked it.
The later part of the battle just had Hulk breaking his force field and stomping on him to no effect IIRC.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
and compare that to Surfer trying against Thor currently... that Thor is way more powerful and more durable. Which begs the question of why doesn't Thor molest Hulk... but alas, ABC
So your main point is that Thor comes off a lot more powerful against Surfer than Hulk does?
I agree, Thor should stomp Hulk as decisively as he would Surfer. He is numero uno after all.
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Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusNot too much. When a cheap punch by Hulk can only stop Surfer mid sentence...
Surfer felt this punch:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/SurfervsHulk4.jpgThere's no denying that.
Just wanted to make it clear, you know how some posters are.
Cool. I just remember them trying to restrain him and getting out-muscled or whatever.
I don't know how you could believe that.
I'm not sure Surfer could put down Green Scar even if he wanted to. He was simply ridiculously powerful. If Surfer had more raw power than an all out Sentry, it definitely wasn't by any large degree.
IIRC, he was blasting him and Hulk tanked it.
The later part of the battle just had Hulk breaking his force field and stomping on him to no effect IIRC.
So your main point is that Thor comes off a lot more powerful against Surfer than Hulk does?
I agree, Thor should stomp Hulk as decisively as he would Surfer. He is numero uno after all.
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Well, considering how easily Surfer beat Savage Hulk in the past, I don't see why an amped Surfer couldn't easily beat Modern Savage Hulk
And Sentry turned Hulk back to Banner...
Planet busting that has now made Hulk a God is no stranger to Surfer. We've never even seen Surfer really try against Hulk either, or go all out that often really. I don't see Surfer not being able to take him out, mind you I don't doubt it would take a lot.
I said significant. Surfer firing casual blasts isn't too significant.
Meh, I see Thor as equalish to Surfer while Hulk is below. Yet, in battles Thor was seen as superiour (before) to Surfer, Hulk is seen about equal to Thor if not a little better mostly because of the way Thor fights, and Surfer is miles ahead of Hulk.
A good example of why ABC logic doesn't work
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Not too much. When a cheap punch by Hulk can only stop Surfer mid sentence...
He was affected, not sure why that's hard to admit.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Well, considering how easily Surfer beat Savage Hulk in the past, I don't see why an amped Surfer couldn't easily beat Modern Savage Hulk
I just don't see it happening. Hulk has grown in status is all. Whatever, it's your opinion.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
And Sentry turned Hulk back to Banner...
Planet busting that has now made Hulk a God is no stranger to Surfer. We've never even seen Surfer really try against Hulk either, or go all out that often really. I don't see Surfer not being able to take him out, mind you I don't doubt it would take a lot.
Okay?
I don't understand how you can think Surfer could take down Green Scar with any resembling casual force. He'd have to go all out and even then I'm not sure he'd be able to win. I highly doubt that when Pak wrote Sentry going all out, he was intended to possess any less raw power than the Elite big boys.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
I see Thor as equalish to Surfer while Hulk is below. Yet, in battles Thor was seen as superiour (before) to Surfer, Hulk is seen about equal to Thor if not a little better mostly because of the way Thor fights, and Surfer is miles ahead of Hulk.
A good example of why ABC logic doesn't work
I think Thor's the main problem, mostly because he's defined by his opponents. Holding back and all that jazz.
We can all agree that Thor > Surfer or Hulk.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusUhhh
He was affected, not sure why that's hard to admit.I just don't see it happening. Hulk has grown in status is all. Whatever, it's your opinion.
Okay?
I don't understand how you can think Surfer could take down Green Scar with any resembling casual force. He'd have to go all out and even then I'm not sure he'd be able to win. I highly doubt that when Pak wrote Sentry going all out, he was intended to possess any less raw power than the Elite big boys.
I think Thor's the main problem, mostly because he's defined by his opponents. Holding back and all that jazz.
We can all agree that Thor > Surfer or Hulk.
No he hasn't... not Savage anyway.
Status doesn't mean a power increase anyway. When a weaker Surfer runs a rape train on Savage, a more powerful Surfer isn't not going to run a rape train on Savage. It doesn't make any sense
But Sentry did 'put down Hulk'. He turned him back to Banner... That's not something you want to happen to you when someone who won't turn into a human is fighting you.
Surfer also wouldn't offer up his face as well. Probably board hack, and full power blasts.
Nope
