Originally posted by JakeTheBankLOL than i wonder how much they can handle plus for Beta ray Bill i never seen any writer or his abilities list say he was immune to disease so he might die of Gamma poisoning if the gamma exposure or gamma poison..but of course it's a possibly not since his technically a cyborg....well you know how does a machine get's poisoning if he has no blood system
I am aware of this, but between both Surfer and Bill, you can better damn well believe that that kind of energy output is being blocked or absorbed.
Originally posted by NihilistYea...but how??? the only one who has strength of the team is Beta Ray Bill..i know his Hand To Hand Skill is incredible but Hulk has also Fought Thor fist to fist Hulk did not KO him but pretty much bruised him badly and yea people believe and it's debatable Thor was not holding back this time...
The team bust Hulk up pretty bad.
Originally posted by TheHulk
Yea...but how??? the only one who has strength of the team is Beta Ray Bill..i know his Hand To Hand Skill is incredible but Hulk has also Fought Thor fist to fist Hulk did not KO him but pretty much bruised him badly and yea people believe and it's debatable Thor was not holding back this time...
The basic issue -for me at least- is does one believe that the Hulk at that point in time have more power in him then Norrin's pc and Bill's Stormbreaker? I don't know if I can go there.
Originally posted by TheHulk
LOL than i wonder how much they can handle plus for Beta ray Bill i never seen any writer or his abilities list say he was immune to disease so he might die of Gamma poisoning if the gamma exposure or gamma poison..but of course it's a possibly not since his technically a cyborg....well you know how does a machine get's poisoning if he has no blood system
Originally posted by dmillsIt's possible,but didn't you guys talked about it already cause i think for Hulk 634 not only the madder he get's the stronger he get's i think the madder hulk get's the stronger and Powerful hulk get's...yea i'm using the term "powerful"
The basic issue -for me at least- is does one believe that the Hulk at that point in time have more power in him then Norrin's pc and Bill's Stormbreaker? I don't know if I can go there.
Originally posted by TheHulk
How??? The gamma output is so powerful it destroyed a dimension and a planet with it and could do it multiple times cause that dimension could might as well be small or big....
Originally posted by MF DELPH
You know what, f*ck it, open the can and let the worms out.Yes, Surfer likely could transmute Thor, Superman, etc. They're made out of matter, and could likely, and have likely on panel, been manipulated before, and likely could again. The main factor is what camp you reside in, not whether it's actually possible. If your pro-Supes, you'll favor the evidence against it. If your anti-Supes, you'll favor the proof he can be manipulated.
I say f*ck your character allegiance.
There, it's been said.
in my own case at least, it's not bias. i like the hulk, but i also like ss. i probably like hulk better, but both are classic characters that i enjoy. it's more of a lack of evidence for me. again, logically, ss's powers should work, but there IS some evidence to suggest hulk could resist. combine that evidence with writers' intent for current hulk and i just have a hard time seeing ss transmuting him. maybe he could turn him intangible. has he done that? maybe he could trap him in the board, but given current hulk's depictions, i could honestly see him breaking free. he COULD certainly bfr him at least, but i still can't fully credit the more exotic feats without more proof.
to allow for that, allows for many other things from other characters as well. thor could just send his hammer to beat ss while he sits in asgard. or maybe he could simply transmute ss because mjolnir has some pretty uber transmutation feats as well. superman kills everyone because he uses t-vo.
it's the same issue i have with creditting zoom with the ability to kill pretty well anyone inside a picosecond. when it comes to those levels of abilities i think we can't just assume they are possible without evidence. if we do, there doesn't seem to be a lot of point to debating. we try as much as possible to use evidence to support debates. if there is none, it comes down to what you BELIEVE. i'm guilty at times of similar stances (i think i once said i thought ss's powerset should allow him to keep up with superman in h2h though he's never shown that type of speed. but i think that stance is different from saying what you're saying because of the magnitude and implications.)
anyway, it's an interesting discussion. i reconcile it by saying to myself--it COULD work, but it's not likely. that translates to a couple wins out of 10 to me if he uses that power. certainly not a perfect system, but i don't know how else to both allow for the chance and recognize the unlikelihood of the ability working. 😬
Originally posted by The SorrowMaybe i slighty agree but still it was stated as a gamma blast of course which yes did with Red she hulk and that time red she hulk was as powerful as hulk was not sure as worldbreaker but yeah i think so but anyway it's twice the power but we all know hulk can just get twice as mad...
It wasn't his gamma energy that destroyed the "dark dimension" it was his physical battle with Red She-Hulk. The shockwaves from their punches were obliterating the planet(s).
Originally posted by carver9Aren't you a fanboy...but totally agreed and no one beat's Hulk in s slugfest..mortal or immortal... 😆
Da**... I just realized matter manipulating is turned off along with bfring. This fight is over and done with. Then they are blood lusted which would lead to Surfer trying to bring the fight up close and personal along with Bill.Hulk kills them.