Originally posted by Philosophía
Your continuous begging of arguments since you're clueless on Supergirl aside, I'm not the one asking for questions "Which tier would you place her in?" and then going "nevermind, I'm too scared, forget I asked". I'm not the one who ignores/backs away from further establishing what idiotic questions like "which tier?" because you know they're not only irrelevant to the battle, but they're so poorly defined that you can't succesfully make a clear distinction, even with the ones from KMC in front of your face.If you want to have a normal discussion, don't go 12-years old behaviour on me with 'nevermind I asked!!' or some failed attempt at backhand insult "he's got it from herochat", and then cry that I'm so mean to you.
If you want to have a mature discussion, approach the discussion as such. If you want to have another kind of discussion, again, go ahead. But don't do one, and then act like a little girl because I'm treating you the same.
Why don't you tell me what feats of Nova's would make me believe that he can beat her? In fights against opponents with similar powersets, he either resorted to weakness exploitation that are irrelevant to the matter at hand - Xenith, the cheap knock-off of the cheap knock-off, who after Nova got in a few good hits, had him groggy after a few attacks, and if she didn't stop to have a chat would have likely turned off his lights - or Gladiator, who out of plot device stupidity, was going all "Burn! Burn! Burn! (literally) on Nova, who was explaining to him that he was absorbing his blasts as he was doing it. Yes, neither of those were Nova at his best (especially the latter), but can you point out some other comparisons I've been missing? Him being treated like a bug against Silver Surfer, with the latter shrugging off his full gravimetric shot, none of the worse for the wear? Him beating a quantum bandless, weakened Annihilus, by attacking his interior organs, when it was obvious he had not other option? Because the Nova side is argumentless in most of the threads, and keep repeating the same two-three feats over again, in hopes they'll somehow convince somebody. It doesn't.
And who, pre tell, pissed in your corn flakes this morning?
Originally posted by -Pr-Good luck with that
I haven't actually checked the reports in a while, so I don't know. I was just reading this thread trying to learn more about Nova...
The only piece of evidence you're getting is this:
Originally posted by dmills
As a Nova centurion he did well vs Thor even though Thor was far more powerful, fought gladiator to a double tko, beat the Sphinx, absorbed planet busting energy, destroyed the quintronic man etc.As Nova Prime he had a technical loss to the current Surfer, beat Annihilus, beat Ego, beat the Sphinx with two Ka stones, took on a team of the most powerful Thunderbolts while being portrayed as holding back, oneshotted a team of evil versions of Avengers, was able to briefly physically overpower a mature Technarch, blew up a fleet of ships with a blast so powerful that it registered lightyears away etc.
Which is pretty sad for over 40 posts
"She's a mid herald... NO CHANCE!"
"Nova shit the bed against comparable people. Also I hate you"
My opinion is that Nova is a hard guy to pin down power wise. He never dominates people, and a lot of his wins have a lot to do with context. I think the guy was even getting his anus pushed in by Super Skrulls as well. However, using Annihilation and the Cancer War as a comparison, he seems right around Quasar level (based on Annihilus fight, and his fight against Evil Quasar)
As opposed to Supergirl, who has a well defined power level.
However, you have to factor in Nova's blasts and shields, etc
It's not a stomp either way, but it is an interesting battle that takes some thought
I'm aware this probably didn't help anyone at anything
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Good luck with that
No ones trying to teach anything here, they're just trying to insert arguments that have to do with tiers and shit.The only piece of evidence you're getting is this:
Which is pretty sad for over 40 posts
"She's a mid herald... NO CHANCE!"
"Nova shit the bed against comparable people. Also I hate you"My opinion is that Nova is a hard guy to pin down power wise. He never dominates people, and a lot of his wins have a lot to do with context. I think the guy was even getting his anus pushed in by Super Skrulls as well. However, using Annihilation and the Cancer War as a comparison, he seems right around Quasar level (based on Annihilus fight, and his fight against Evil Quasar)
As opposed to Supergirl, who has a well defined power level.However, you have to factor in Nova's blasts and shields, etc
It's not a stomp either way, but it is an interesting battle that takes some thought
Bran as the voice of reason ftw
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Good luck with that
No ones trying to teach anything here, they're just trying to insert arguments that have to do with tiers and shit.The only piece of evidence you're getting is this:
Which is pretty sad for over 40 posts
"She's a mid herald... NO CHANCE!"
"Nova shit the bed against comparable people. Also I hate you"My opinion is that Nova is a hard guy to pin down power wise. He never dominates people, and a lot of his wins have a lot to do with context. I think the guy was even getting his anus pushed in by Super Skrulls as well. However, using Annihilation and the Cancer War as a comparison, he seems right around Quasar level (based on Annihilus fight, and his fight against Evil Quasar)
As opposed to Supergirl, who has a well defined power level.However, you have to factor in Nova's blasts and shields, etc
It's not a stomp either way, but it is an interesting battle that takes some thoughtI'm aware this probably didn't help anyone at anything
Hence why on page one I said;
Originally posted by dmills
Nova in his most recent incarnation was often depicted as a character that only used as much power as he needed to get the job done due to, what did you and bada call it, character imposed limitations? So obviously that doesn't sit well with people that like uber power showings.
That's the reality of it.
Originally posted by Sr J-BiebNicely done squire
Good luck with that
No ones trying to teach anything here, they're just trying to insert arguments that have to do with tiers and shit.The only piece of evidence you're getting is this:
Which is pretty sad for over 40 posts
"She's a mid herald... NO CHANCE!"
"Nova shit the bed against comparable people. Also I hate you"My opinion is that Nova is a hard guy to pin down power wise. He never dominates people, and a lot of his wins have a lot to do with context. I think the guy was even getting his anus pushed in by Super Skrulls as well. However, using Annihilation and the Cancer War as a comparison, he seems right around Quasar level (based on Annihilus fight, and his fight against Evil Quasar)
As opposed to Supergirl, who has a well defined power level.However, you have to factor in Nova's blasts and shields, etc
It's not a stomp either way, but it is an interesting battle that takes some thoughtI'm aware this probably didn't help anyone at anything
Originally posted by celeyhyga17I believe it was an issue right after the Galactus fiasco
When did Super Skrulls dominate him??Nova 7/10 at least
@J Bieb
Every hero has context affecting their battles
But Nova's range from:
Affecting confidence
Opening a Stargate so it causes a universal contradiction
Using their own energy against them
Going into a brain and basically rendering them comatose
Etc
A lot of Nova's wins aren't 'I blasted them and they fall down', it's 'I beat them because I used a 'weakness' of the person I'm fighting against them'
Which is what I meant when I said 'context'