Originally posted by abhilegend
He was almost koed there and his durability wasn't lower due to not fighting back. The difference is that nova isn't superman.
Someone's never been in an actual fight in his life.
Getting his out of combat and in combat are two different deals. The difference is actually enormous. And "UH DERUHBILTY WASNT LOWER" Doesn't change that. The effects of an out of combat strike are much more devastating.
Who said he was?
Originally posted by Damborgson
Someone's never been in an actual fight in his life.Getting his out of combat and in combat are two different deals. The difference is actually enormous. And "UH DERUHBILTY WASNT LOWER" Doesn't change that. The effects of an out of combat strike are much more devastating.
Who said he was?
That's why he gets beaten here.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Someone doesn't read comics. Superman attacking supergirl wouldn't increase his durability, it would take toll on supergirl's strength. Hercules not wanting to fight WWH and getting his face turn to mush in three hits doesn't means he lowered his durability. Don't act childish, it only makes you look more of a fool. So tell me genius how does superman's "All out combat strike" would increase his durability against punches?That's why he gets beaten here.
wtf? smh...
Originally posted by abhilegend
Someone doesn't read comics. Superman attacking supergirl wouldn't increase his durability, it would take toll on supergirl's strength. Hercules not wanting to fight WWH and getting his face turn to mush in three hits doesn't means he lowered his durability. Don't act childish, it only makes you look more of a fool. So tell me genius how does superman's "All out combat strike" would increase his durability against punches?That's why he gets beaten here.
Good Lord. This is Starscream level.
Lol @ "don't act childish" from you. Don't you have some more cancer affected babies to make fun of?
But ok since you clearly don't know about fighting, here goes. In a fight you get to brace, move, weave, and generally make it so those punches that would otherwise majorly phuck you up, don't do the damage they should. When comparable in strength of course like the situation between Superman and Supergirl. (meaning it doesn't work with like Hulk and Spiderman or something)
Of course durability doesn't lower. Pitiful attempt to try and make something sound wrong to suit your argument (used by Carver btw.)The damage taken is more. That's why cheap shots have more affect than in combat fair shots.
So yes when Hercules decided to let the Hulk hit him, the punches are much more effective. Doesn't mean he'd 4 shot him in an actual fight.
that would be a real world example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKYnHGt00nw
that would be a comic world example:
in combat: http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHulk46.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHulk47.jpg
out of combat:http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHulk49.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHulk50.jpg
BUT WAIT! Thor should have been almost unconscious with the hits he already took! Look @ what happened in the out of combat situation!
Seriously. Troll harder.
Originally posted by abhilegend
What? He wasn't fighting back so his durability must be lower is one of the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
No one used that argument. Quit being stupid.
Originally posted by abhilegend
What? He wasn't fighting back so his durability must be lower is one of the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
when someone is clearly not fighting back, durability is almost always affected. ever heard of bracing for impact or rolling with the punches? it is infinitely easier to hurt someone who is not prepared or practically not defending at all. in this case, Clark tried the full on pacifist approach from the start in hopes of Kara snapping out of whatever hold DS has on her. he goes to plan B when he realizes it ain't workin.... come on man, you gotta get up on that readin skills kiid...
That's NOT durability, what you guys are referring to.
The definition of durability is simple. It's defined as how hard your skin is to bruising and penetration.
Rolling with a punch has nothing to do with durability. Afterall it's called...rolling with a punch.
Whether you are prepared for a blow or not, does nothing to your durability.
You can take a punch better if you are prepared of course, but if it was going to bruise you while unprepared, your skin isn't suddenly going to get tougher if you are prepared.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
That's NOT durability, what you guys are referring to.The definition of durability is simple. It's defined as how hard your skin is to bruising and penetration.
Rolling with a punch has nothing to do with durability. Afterall it's called...rolling with a punch.
Whether you are prepared for a blow or not, does nothing to your durability.
You can take a punch better if you are prepared of course, but if it was going to bruise you while unprepared, your skin isn't suddenly going to get tougher if you are prepared.
if ure referring to my post I specifically said "affects" durability... anyways it's a moot point. mrlegend left out the part where Clark is right back up a few panels later. he was hurt, but not "hurt"... so it's not like that was such an impressive showing for Kara in da first place like how he tried to portray..
Originally posted by Damborgson
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that would be a real world example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKYnHGt00nw
LOL, I knew what this was going to be before I clicked it. Pretty much the definitive example now.
Originally posted by DamborgsonYes, your trolling is.
Good Lord. This is Starscream level.
Lol @ "don't act childish" from you. Don't you have some more cancer affected babies to make fun of?Do this again and I'm reporting you. I made a mistake and I apologised for it from that person.
But ok since you clearly don't know about fighting, here goes. In a fight you get to brace, move, weave, and generally make it so those punches that would otherwise majorly phuck you up, don't do the damage they should.Irrelevant. He wasn't attacked from behind or suckershotted. Just because he wasn't attacking her doesn't means he wasn't recoiling from her attacks. He wasn't a rigid object when she hit him. Seriously this is some h1 level trolling.
When comparable in strength of course like the situation between Superman and Supergirl. (meaning it doesn't work with like Hulk and Spiderman or something)****ing lulz. You think she cheapshotted him from in front of him. Dude, this is some serious trolling.
Of course durability doesn't lower. Pitiful attempt to try and make something sound wrong to suit your argument (used by Carver btw.)The damage taken is more. That's why cheap shots have more affect than in combat fair shots.
So yes when Hercules decided to let the Hulk hit him, the punches are much more effective.Nope, you are just grasping on straws. If herc rolls with blows, it doesn't increase his durability. Its his skills otherwise spider man would be in class 100 durability because hey, he rolls with punches from class 100 people.
Doesn't mean he'd 4 shot him in an actual fight.He wouldn't but a brawl is much more than just strength and durability. That's called combat effectiveness.
that would be a real world example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKYnHGt00nwIrrelevant.
that would be a comic world example:Do you even read the scans you posted? Thor was completely ****ed up, its a testament to his endurance not his durability. Not to mention supergirl didn't cheapshot superman after a long fight, she almost koed him when he knows that he is getting in a fight but chose not to attack her. That doesn't decrease his natural durability. Not to mention superman doesn't fight like you described, he is a tank who tries to take damage because its very difficult to damage him.in combat: http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHulk46.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHulk47.jpg
out of combat:http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHulk49.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHulk50.jpg
BUT WAIT! Thor should have been almost unconscious with the hits he already took! Look @ what happened in the out of combat situation!
Seriously. Troll harder.I could say the same but you can't troll harder than this.
No one used that argument. Quit being stupid.You already did. Quit being a lier.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
if ure referring to my post I specifically said "affects" durability... anyways it's a moot point. mrlegend left out the part where Clark is right back up a few panels later. he was hurt, but not "hurt"... so it's not like that was such an impressive showing for Kara in da first place like how he tried to portray..
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
No you do..😛
I'm just gonna get my popcorn out..
Nah, not really feeling it. Besides, you took an entire year away from the forum so all Nova duties go to you now lol. Oddly enough , iirc this is actually one of the last threads that you debated in before your hiatus lmao!
But no, she's not beating Rider with brute force alone. Shields, armor and his own elite level durability says odds are against it. She's a frickin beast though.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Did you miss the point where she tossed his almost limp body in firepit and the heat revived him. Anyway rolling with a punch=/=durability. She did infinitely better than how rider did against surfer though.
smh.. he was never out.. he even said "kara stop" before she threw him.. sigh... well u've got to give me some background on Supes by simply being revived by heat... and Supes fully accepting Kara's attacks ain't the same thing as what happened b/n Norrin and Richie.. sigh.........
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
when someone is clearly not fighting back, durability is almost always affected. ever heard of bracing for impact or rolling with the punches? it is infinitely easier to hurt someone who is not prepared or practically not defending at all. in this case, Clark tried the full on pacifist approach from the start in hopes of Kara snapping out of whatever hold DS has on her. he goes to plan B when he realizes it ain't workin.... come on man, you gotta get up on that readin skills kiid...
How's that possible if he wasn't bracing himself? If he wasn't bracing he would have been thrown around like a ragdoll.
You telling me to better my reading skills=facepalm
Originally posted by abhilegend
Nope. That's the case with cheapshots. Besides superman doesn't roll with punches, he tanks everything. Clark wasn't fighting back sure, that doesn't means his blunt force durability which is THE best in herald tier besides juggy was lowered or even that he wasn't bracing. Here he moves back from her initial two attacksHow's that possible if he wasn't bracing himself? If he wasn't bracing he would have been thrown around like a ragdoll.
You telling me to better my reading skills=facepalm
oy vey.. in comics just because u weren't bracing, doesn't always mean you will get displaced a long way from a hit... come on man, u betta than that...
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
smh.. he was never out.. he even said "kara stop" before she threw him.. sigh... well u've got to give me some background on Supes by simply being revived by heat... and Supes fully accepting Kara's attacks ain't the same thing as what happened b/n Norrin and Richie.. sigh.........
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, your trolling is.Do this again and I'm reporting you. I made a mistake and I apologised for it from that person.
Irrelevant. He wasn't attacked from behind or suckershotted. Just because he wasn't attacking her doesn't means he wasn't recoiling from her attacks. He wasn't a rigid object when she hit him. Seriously this is some h1 level trolling. ****ing lulz. You think she cheapshotted him from in front of him. Dude, this is some serious trolling.
Nope, you are just grasping on straws. If herc rolls with blows, it doesn't increase his durability. Its his skills otherwise spider man would be in class 100 durability because hey, he rolls with punches from class 100 people. He wouldn't but a brawl is much more than just strength and durability. That's called combat effectiveness.
Irrelevant.
Do you even read the scans you posted? Thor was completely ****ed up, its a testament to his endurance not his durability. Not to mention supergirl didn't cheapshot superman after a long fight, she almost koed him when he knows that he is getting in a fight but chose not to attack her. That doesn't decrease his natural durability. Not to mention superman doesn't fight like you described, he is a tank who tries to take damage because its very difficult to damage him.
I could say the same but you can't troll harder than this.
You already did. Quit being a lier.
Excellent comeback. I applaud.
You didn't make a mistake. You did it with all the intention to hurt by using a low blow. Against a child no less. You were threatened with ban then you reaction : "Oh sorry" Phucking worthless.
I say starscream you say h1. lol using my own attack on you? Nice. Get some new material. He let her strike him. Which is the point. You're argument was dead before it even began and I'm getting a nice laugh at seeing you squirm like this.
another derp paragraph filled with strawman attempts and irrelevant arguments. nice. Why do you push a dead argument? You countered nothing that I said. Give it a rest.
wow 😂 you can't read. You can't even read when their are pretty pictures in the midst.
In combat: Thor takes the hits and wins. Out of combat Thor gets horribly beaten and with only a few punches.
Superman didn't know the next thing that was going to happen was Supergirl attacking him.
And to top it off: "IT DOESNT DECREASE HIS DURABILITY!!!!1111" No one's arguing that. 😂 So sad.
No trolling, giving you a reality check.
Yes I'll stop being a "lier" whatever that is. It's the internet. Hard to lie.
