Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Bran's pretty much on the money.Nova specifically said that the Quantum Bands were fueling Annihilus because surviving Galactus' attack drained him of his power. Which makes sense as we saw him fly into it unprotected at ground zero. With the bands, he was too powerful even in that state for Nova, taking them away is what gave Richard his chance.
Also, Nova didn't overpower Annihilus. Not in a direct contest of strength. He was more ferocious as the moment but that doesn't translate into power.
Sorry but no. He said "I'm thinking the quantum bands fueled you", "surviving Galactus drained you". Not that they were fueling him because he was drained. There's a subtle little difference of phrasing that changes the entire context of the situation. Furthermore so what? Either way he still had enough gas in the tank to get the better of Nova right? Until he lost his advantage that is.
This is quite possibly one of the most asinine things I've ever read and its inconceivable to me that any one would take that position. If I rolled up on you, grabbed your head and forced my fist into your mouth while you struggled trying to get me off of you, that's not me overpowering you? Holy shit, defense attorneys would have a field day getting rapists off if that shit were admissible in court.
"Well ladies and gentleman of the jury, my client didn't really overpower the victim and force his penis into her, technically he just stuck his cock into her so fast that she didn't have time to react".
C'mon brah, you guys are being ridiculous with that.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
No one is arguing the Qbands were amping him. and yet Annihilus flat out said, "Annihilus needs no power save his.. Annihilus is of power".
what happens next? he gets overpowered... will he get the majority over Annihilus on a regular basis. I don't think so. Is he capable of taking wins, u bet ure bibby.
Yes, we all know Annihilus is insane and arrogant but that doesn't change what happened. He tanked Galactus attack head on and it drained him.
Nova himself makes it clear:
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"You keep saying that..but I'm thinking the Quantum Bands fueled you...surviving Galactus drained you..."
He even calls him out on his bullshit.
There's no question he was still very powerful, but if Nova had fought him prior to the herald my rage blast, he would have gotten wrecked, bands or no bands. That much is clear.
It's a nice showing for Richard no doubt, but I don't believe he overpowered him in the classical sense. Ferocity and power some times blur but they are different. Feel free to disagree but that's my honest opinion.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
pshh.. did i say Thor can't do it? I just stated that it's not the easiest thing to lobotomize a living planet. it takes a considerable amount of power. Even Worldmind made a comment about it. and this ain't no Thor thread...
Fair enough.
Originally posted by dmills
Sorry but no. He said "I'm thinking the quantum bands fueled you", "surviving Galactus drained you". Not that they were fueling him because he was drained. There's a subtle little difference of phrasing that changes the entire context of the situation. Furthermore so what? Either way he still had enough gas in the tank to get the better of Nova right? Until he lost his advantage that is.This is quite possibly one of the most asinine things I've ever read and its inconceivable to me that any one would take that position. If I rolled up on you, grabbed your head and forced my fist into your mouth while you struggled trying to get me off of you, that's not me overpowering you? Holy shit, defense attorneys would have a field day getting rapists off if that shit were admissible in court.
C'mon brah, you guys are being ridiculous with that.
Amen
they don't want an upstart lurking around their high herald boys club
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Originally posted by dmills
Sorry but no. He said "I'm thinking the quantum bands fueled you", "surviving Galactus drained you". Not that they were fueling him because he was drained. There's a subtle little difference of phrasing that changes the entire context of the situation. Furthermore so what? Either way he still had enough gas in the tank to get the better of Nova right? Until he lost his advantage that is.
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Unless you have some contradictory evidence I'm not even going to debate the scene in question. It was very straight forward and I don't see how you can disagree based on what we've seen.
What do you mean so what? Nova outright said he was drained. It was the writer explaining why Nova managing to do anything to Annihilus in the first place is possible based on the one sided ass whooping Annihilus gave him and Quasar.
The main reason he was kicking Nova's ass this time was because the Quantum Bands, which were too much combined with whatever power Annihilus had left.
Originally posted by dmills
This is quite possibly one of the most asinine things I've ever read and its inconceivable to me that any one would take that position. If I rolled up on you, grabbed your head and forced my fist into your mouth while you struggled trying to get me off of you, that's not me overpowering you? Holy shit, defense attorneys would have a field day getting rapists off if that shit were admissible in court.
I don't understand why you're so flabbergasted. Nova leaped for Annihilus head and stuck his hand down his throat. A great showing no doubt but he didn't overpower him. If they had clashed, with Nova getting into that position I would have agreed but as it is, ferocity won the day, not raw power.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusWhat do you mean so what? Nova outright said he was drained. It was the writer explaining why Nova managing to do anything to Annihilus in the first place is possible based on the one sided ass whooping Annihilus gave him and Quasar.
The main reason he was kicking Nova's ass this time was because the Quantum Bands, which were too much combined with whatever power Annihilus had left.
how many times does the hero get knocked down, only to get back up and rise to the occasion? all the time.
Thor has been beaten, survives, gets back up, then returns the favor.
this is a common pattern. does Thor not say things like "I have taken your measure, blah, blah, blah,"? then finally beats his opponent at the end of a story arc. i'm pretty sure that's happened a bazillion times. now ure telling us he did not rise to the occasion all those bazillion times. what? he just got lucky? his opponent was drained? Thor does not deserve credit?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He tanked Galactus attack head on and it drained him.
No. He really didn't...
Galactus lifting up the containers that Annihilus was using to siphon the power cosmic.
Annihilus looks at this, realizes what's happening and (bottom left panel)
holy shit, I'd better get the phuck outta here! Flying away with the golden protective hue of guess what...The Q-bands!
Looks on from a far...
Meanwhile, nearby
Crawls out from the rubble, guess what? Protected with the golden hue of the Q-bands...
Holy shit, well whudda ya know, we ended up right next to each other. Guess this was fate.
So yeah, no. He never took that blast head on. If he gets to use the weakened excuse, so does Rider.
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lets take excuses for Annihilus even further.
lets simply talk about their confrontation before Phylla stole the Qbands with her little interuption. was it fair for Rich to take Annihilus head on while the bug had the Cosmic Control Rod and the Qbands? wasn't Nova weakened even more after taking on that kind of power head on? and yet he still managed to tear the bug inside out. and that's after Annihilus's proclamation that he doesn't need the Qbands and power cosmic to feast on Rich's flesh. sigh... excuses, excuses...
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
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lets take excuses for Annihilus even further.
lets simply talk about their confrontation before Phylla stole the Qbands with her little interuption. was it fair for Rich to take Annihilus head on while the bug had the Cosmic Control Rod and the Qbands? wasn't Nova weakened even more after taking on that kind of power head on? and yet he still managed to tear the bug inside out. and that's after Annihilus's proclamation that he doesn't need the Qbands and power cosmic to feast on Rich's flesh. sigh... excuses, excuses...
Pretty much. Hell if we made threads like that they'd be closed as spite threads. And rightfully so. I could see it now, "Nova vs Blackbolt+Q-bands". "Nova vs Gladiator+ Q-bands"... It's ridiculous.
And as far as the excuses go, they're running out of them. Now we're getting into just flat out lowballing here. Either that or not reading the material in context and just scan sharking. I mean people were saying Annihilus tanked the blast head on unshielded, when not only was he shielded, but he ran away as far as he could get from Galactus 😂
Fights the Sphinx. Shows his speed, energy absorption ability and some power as well.
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Little bit of his fight with Evil Quasar
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Some durability stuff...
Takes the cheapshot blast with no problem.
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Crashes head first into the moon at high speed...
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No sells Hulk's boy Korg..
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Mjolnir
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Galactus' worldship energy feeding tube... Heals up and repairs, fresh as a daisy.
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A little info on the source of Novas' power.
See that little ball of energy that Richard is making a mad dash for in the scan?
That's the Nova force matrix. Essentially its just a conduit that harnesses vacuum energy from the universe or some crap, hence the whole "fundamental force of the universe limitless energy" hyperbole. Think of Richard's body as a bathtub with a pipe that is directly connected to the ocean, and the nova force matrix as the ocean. If I had to guess I'd say Richard usually only has the tub about 60-70% full, but can turn the knob and fill it up with more water as necessary, however a few things make him reluctant to do so.
One issue is the Supernova fiasco. He's reluctant to even take on the power in the first place because of that...
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To continue the bathtub analogy, in terms of power, Supernova is what happens when you leave the water running, the tub overflows and the water just runs everywhere. For example...
Has a little fun with Quasar
Treats amped Spikey Thing and his broad like a couple of cute pet hamsters, then dismisses them.
No sells Simons' cheapshot, tosses out the garbage
Mocks Johnny, turns his back to him and Quasar to continue searching for his target while they blast away...
Yet thanks to the Worldmind, Richard has a modern system in place that siphons off the water and prevents it from overflowing in the first place.
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However, even with those safety protocols in place, Nova still nearly loses control. Later pages show him destroying Annihilation wave ships. There were millions of them, he let off a massive blast that destroyed all but a few dozen.
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Following that, he was reluctant to use the full thing again. Not even when facing the bug... Increasing Nova Force supply to your bio pattern...You can't give me too much
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The second issue that plays into Novas' psyche is an incident on a planet called Epyrus-7 that took place during the Skrull/Xandar war back in the day. Someone (Diamond head) betrayed Nova's unit and led them into a skrull ambush. Nova lost it and nuked everything, killing both friend and foe. This is further elaborated on in subsequent issues. I don't have them scanned yet but I'll get them up when I can. But basically it talks about how the Xandarians erased the memories from his mind, goes into detail about how the betrayal went down etc.
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So why the disconnect between Nova's true power and his average showings? Some of the people that have written Nova have commented on this. Erik Larsen spoke about having to use plot devices to tone the character down, other writers have commented on this as well.
Comic Pros: In your Nova series, what was the cause of Nova's power fluctuations?
Erik Larsen: It was mostly a way of scaling him back a bit. The reason was simply that the powers had been given back and forth one too many times but on a story/plot level-- the character was just too powerful-- every fight should have simply ended with him blasting the crap out of whoever he was facing with eye-beams. Fluctating powers worked for me-- there were a lot of things I could have done with this.
Dan Abnett talked about similar issues in an audio interview, and about how they had to take time to plot out how powerful he'd be at a given time etc.
Personally I think its a poor excuse because there's a lot of room inbetween beating top tiers in a battle vs being too powerful to keep a series interesting. It doesn't have to be either or imo. But alas... You have the concept of the hero with uber power, but too afraid to use it for various reasons. Therefore he only uses as much as he needs in order to get the job done.
So there it is in a nutshell PR. A crash course in Nova 101. Now hopefully you're actually still looking at this and I haven't completely wasted my time 😂
Any other questions please feel free to ask.
