Darth Sion vs Darth Krayt (post-rebirth)

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Darth Sion vs Darth Krayt (post-rebirth)

Could Mr. I-control-Life-and-Death take down Mr. I-can't-die?

What was Krayts way to cheat death? Wasn't it just souped up Force Healing?

But I've heard some good things about Krayt.

Originally posted by Nephthys
What was Krayts way to cheat death? Wasn't it just souped up Force Healing?

Pretty much and unlike Sion's it has clear limits as we see with Azlyn Rae.

Originally posted by Nephthys
What was Krayts way to cheat death? Wasn't it just souped up Force Healing?

But I've heard some good things about Krayt.

He learned Cade's 'dark transfer' ability between experience with Cade and Muur's power, but can do it on himself even after nominal death.

And like Cade, he can use it on someone's shatterpoints to kill them.

Originally posted by Q99
He learned Cade's 'dark transfer' ability between experience with Cade and Muur's power, but can do it on himself even after nominal death.

No he can't. He never truly died. He just drove his life force deep within himself.

Originally posted by ares834
No he can't. He never truly died. He just drove his life force deep within himself.

Hence "nominal." He can suffer majorly fatal wounds like a lightsaber through the heart and people in the force will even *sense* his death, but he'll come back.

He's not as un-hurtable as Sion, but he can also use the power to kill others, which might do a number on Sion.

Any other thoughts?

Sion's weakness isn't explored. It's apparent that he can hold himself together despite having thousands of fractures, and only his (completely confusing) affection for the Exile allowed his will to be eroded. Plot Induced Weakness aside, in a straight up fight I don't see Sion falling apart for anyone unless they really, really work creatively, like pinning him under a rock for example.

That and the only places that Sion survived death were locations unusually strong with the dark side. (At least as far as I remember.) And Sion makes note of this in his confrontation with the Exile.

Sion survived on board the Republic ship too. Clearly, his ability to hold his body together is not reliant on Dark Side planets and places.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Sion survived on board the Republic ship too.

He was cut down there? I can't remember.

Wasn't he dead before they brought him on board or something?

Yeah, he was clinically dead when brought on board, and he reknit himself and broke free, killing tons of folks onboard.

I must consult ze videos.

And wasn't he still on Paragus when it went all explodey?

The holorecordings of the ship's doctor indicate Sion's body is broken in over a thousand places.

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The holorecordings of the ship's doctor indicate Sion's body is broken in over a thousand places.

I preface this with the casual admission that Wookieepedia does not a canon source make, but upon the possibility that the information is correct:

Wookie, Darth Sion entry
The crew found Sion's body, and believing him to be a corpse, took him back to their vessel. Meanwhile, Sion's cloaked assassins infiltrated their way into the Harbinger.[1]

Darth Sion on the corpse-strewn bridge of the Harbinger.
Sion was taken to the medical bay, where the medical officer studied him. Seeing the innumerable fractures and scars that covered him, she was unable to determine if he was alive or dead and placed him in a kolto tank. As this was taking place, Sion's assassins were moving throughout the ship, secretly eliminating some crew members and watching the others. Sion at last awoke and, after tormenting the mind of a passing crew member, burst from his kolto tank and announced that he had come for the Exile.

^^ This indicates that the medical staff could not determine whether or not Sion was dead and that he was placed in a kolto tank, which is known for its regenerative medical properties. I would consult ze videos, but I'm 32 minutes into a debate between Christopher Hitchens and William Lane Craig.

Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
I preface this with the casual admission that Wookieepedia does not a canon source make, but upon the possibility that the information is correct:

^^ This indicates that the medical staff could not determine whether or not Sion was dead and that he was placed in a kolto tank, which is known for its regenerative medical properties. I would consult ze videos, but I'm 32 minutes into a debate between Christopher Hitchens and William Lane Craig.

The holovid (Not Wookieepedia, derp) clearly states that the "thousand fractures" confound the doctor, and they say they cannot understand how "[his] body can stay in one piece". Obviously Sion is holding his jigsawed body together, kolto or no. And since kolto regenerates damaged tissue, I don't see how it actually helped Sion, seeing as he looked like Pinhead's ass for all his damage.

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It took me a while to find this, but beginning at the 18:54 mark, the medical officer is unable to determine whether or not Sion is dead. Given the nature of his state, it seems to fall more in line with a standard hibernation trance utilized by Jedi and Sith alike throughout the saga. I'd need to see the evidence of where he is medically dead and simply used the Force to reanimate himself. His dialogue throughout the game indicates that such a power is present solely when he is on a location strong with the dark side.

Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
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It took me a while to find this, but beginning at the 18:54 mark, the medical officer is unable to determine whether or not Sion is dead. Given the nature of his state, it seems to fall more in line with a standard hibernation trance utilized by Jedi and Sith alike throughout the saga. I'd need to see the evidence of where he is medically dead and simply used the Force to reanimate himself. His dialogue throughout the game indicates that such a power is present solely when he is on a location strong with the dark side.

It's very plausible that he was in a trance as opposed to clinically dead. I don't see a point to argue conclusively either way.

However, the fact that he uses the Force to keep his body from say, falling apart at the molecular level speaks to his power over the ability.