^in terms of a purely physical fight Prime if you take the majority of his showings over miserable events like the teen titans beat down despite him having crushed them before makes him over skyfather in terms of raw strength. Physical force allowed him to retcon DC as well as his casual planet moving I mean ffs he trolled Oa by shifting the center of the universe. He's obliterated the Lantern Corps in a single effort as well as the Legion of superheroes whom either of which combined would have crushed Zeus if he were to try the same thing on raw physical strength and perhaps even if he were to use his abilities. To limit Zeus to pure H2H and physical amps is going to really hurt him for the fight as even with his other abilities I'd give Prime odds against him for his crushing of Future Mordru whom I'd back against Odin and Zeus simultaneously.
Originally posted by Uriel005So you want to eliminate his losses and highlight his best moments. Well you sure as sh-- don't sound biased or anything. Physical force along with certain barriers during the events of infinite crisis allowed him to retcon events. Context. He took out thirty some lanterns who cares like Zeus wouldn't blow through them just the same. Prime also never crushed future Mordru he laughed off a blast or two. Crushing means he defeated him. I knew in the end you were all bark no bite.
^in terms of a purely physical fight Prime if you take the majority of his showings over miserable events like the teen titans beat down despite him having crushed them before makes him over skyfather in terms of raw strength. Physical force allowed him to retcon DC as well as his casual planet moving I mean ffs he trolled Oa by shifting the center of the universe. He's obliterated the Lantern Corps in a single effort as well as the Legion of superheroes whom either of which combined would have crushed Zeus if he were to try the same thing on raw physical strength and perhaps even if he were to use his abilities. To limit Zeus to pure H2H and physical amps is going to really hurt him for the fight as even with his other abilities I'd give Prime odds against him for his crushing of Future Mordru whom I'd back against Odin and Zeus simultaneously.
^considering that his "losses" are usually few and far between and usually PIS loaded or he loses to people he's absolutely devastated before it's like saying Galactus is a weak feeb because he's suffered losses where he really shouldn't have. Consider the character's overall and eliminate the outliers and we find that in fact barring a few appearances he is an absolutely devastating threat. One who is capable of defeating Guardians of the Universe at the very least and at most defeating someone who can crush a universe/just about any other opponent i.e. monarch/mordru.
Originally posted by Uriel005
^considering that his "losses" are usually few and far between and usually PIS loaded or he loses to people he's absolutely devastated before it's like saying Galactus is a weak feeb because he's suffered losses where he really shouldn't have. Consider the character's overall and eliminate the outliers and we find that in fact barring a few appearances he is an absolutely devastating threat. One who is capable of defeating Guardians of the Universe at the very least and at most defeating someone who can crush a universe/just about any other opponent i.e. monarch/mordru.
Let's not pretend like Prime never struggled against low tier beings. Fighting teams, he does amazing hut his one on one fights isn't as impressive as you all make it out to be. He has always had issues with Conner and the below example is just one type of proof needed. Him getting merked by the Titans imo isn't a low showing at all...its pretty much on point since again, he had problems in the past taking out Wondergirl and Conner in the past. Zeus destroys him...Prime consistency is, he is powerful but he is also overated. Him retcon punching is all nice and shiney but it has nothing to do with a fight. Hulk punching through dimensions and shaking dimensions doesn't mean he will crush Odin.
Zeus 10/10
