Originally posted by quanchi112
So you want to eliminate his losses and highlight his best moments. Well you sure as sh-- don't sound biased or anything. Physical force along with certain barriers during the events of infinite crisis allowed him to retcon events. Context. He took out thirty some lanterns who cares like Zeus wouldn't blow through them just the same. Prime also never crushed future Mordru he laughed off a blast or two. Crushing means he defeated him. I knew in the end you were all bark no bite.
This is correct, actually.
Originally posted by Uriel005I considered all his showings not just his best or worst. You should always do the same. Prime has never defeated the guardians of the universe so please quit just making things up. Zeus rapes him. Prime doesn't decimate Superboy like Zeus would. Zeus raped Hulk who is physically as formidable as an elite top tier is. Zeus wins.
^considering that his "losses" are usually few and far between and usually PIS loaded or he loses to people he's absolutely devastated before it's like saying Galactus is a weak feeb because he's suffered losses where he really shouldn't have. Consider the character's overall and eliminate the outliers and we find that in fact barring a few appearances he is an absolutely devastating threat. One who is capable of defeating Guardians of the Universe at the very least and at most defeating someone who can crush a universe/just about any other opponent i.e. monarch/mordru.
Originally posted by iceman24567When does he speedblitz ?
Prime via speedblitz
Originally posted by CogitoSo moving planets shows you he can beat up Zeus, punching through barriers means he can beat Zeus, tossing a severely weakened Am shows he can punch Zeus into submission ?
Moving the center of the universe, punching through dimensions, tossing the Anti-Monitor like he was his *****...There's no question SBP is above the Hulk that Zeus brought down. What strength/HtH feats does Zeus have?
(As I said, presumption and intuition are another matter)
Prime's done worse against far worse ie. Superboy time and time again. No question Hulk rapes Superboy. I do agree Prime bests Hulk but not in the same manner Zeus did more or less like an Ion beatdown with Hulk getting his licks in.
If Prime can't hand Superboy his ass trying to make a false comparison against the Hulk someone physically well above Superboy isn't showing me anything as to believe he does it anywhere near as impressive as Zeus demonstrated.
Originally posted by Cogito
Moving the center of the universe, punching through dimensions, tossing the Anti-Monitor like he was his *****...There's no question SBP is above the Hulk that Zeus brought down. What strength/HtH feats does Zeus have?
(As I said, presumption and intuition are another matter)
Who did Prime beat that puts him above Zeus? Those type of fts...everyone have them. Hulk has held a planet together...broke an asteroid twice the size of Earth...punched through a dimension...thunder clapped a dimension to dust...shook numerous of dimensions while fighting, recently destroyed the Dark dimension...punched Onslaught to dust...shook planet earth while fighting...etc, etc but that has nothing to do with who would win in a fight.
Originally posted by Cogito
Moving the center of the universe, punching through dimensions, tossing the Anti-Monitor like he was his *****...There's no question SBP is above the Hulk that Zeus brought down. What strength/HtH feats does Zeus have?
(As I said, presumption and intuition are another matter)
True that SBP is above Hulk. Honestly I'm not too sure about Zeus. He should be Odin level...
Like you said intuition and presumption..
Originally posted by quanchi112
So moving planets shows you he can beat up Zeus, punching through barriers means he can beat Zeus, tossing a severely weakened Am shows he can punch Zeus into submission ?
No, it shows he has greater strength feats. That's all I said.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Prime's done worse against far worse ie. Superboy time and time again. No question Hulk rapes Superboy. I do agree Prime bests Hulk but not in the same manner Zeus did more or less like an Ion beatdown with Hulk getting his licks in.
Sodam Yat Ion was a beast. He was Superman plus an entity. That's way above the Hulk. SBP still trashed him.
As for Connor...there's always context. When they fought in Final Crisis, SBP had just solo'd most of Legion, one-shot killing many of them. He had just been weakened by red solar radiation, surrounded by darkness, and was exposed to Kryptonite. To top things off, he was still (for the majority of the fight) fighting Legion as well.
The latest TT fight had obvious plot intricacies I won't go into, on top of other complexities.
Originally posted by carver9You love talking about shaking planets and holding planets together, but the difference in force between shaking a planet and moving the center of the universe is like the difference between a candle and a star.
Hulk has held a planet together...broke an asteroid twice the size of Earth...punched through a dimension...thunder clapped a dimension to dust...shook numerous of dimensions while fighting, recently destroyed the Dark dimension...punched Onslaught to dust...shook planet earth while fighting...etc, etc but that has nothing to do with who would win in a fight.
And don't get going with "destroying" the dark dimension. You know where that leads.
Originally posted by Cogito
No, it shows he has greater strength feats. That's all I said.Sodam Yat Ion was a beast. He was Superman plus an entity. That's way above the Hulk. SBP still trashed him.
As for Connor...there's always context. When they fought in Final Crisis, SBP had just solo'd most of Legion, one-shot killing many of them. He had just been weakened by red solar radiation, surrounded by darkness, and was exposed to Kryptonite. To top things off, he was still (for the majority of the fight) fighting Legion as well.
The latest TT fight had obvious plot intricacies I won't go into, on top of other complexities.
You love talking about shaking planets and holding planets together, but the difference in force between shaking a planet and moving the center of the universe is like the difference between a candle and a star.
And don't get going with "destroying" the dark dimension. You know where that leads.
What has current Speak Yat or the yat that fought Prime done that outs him above Superman or even Hulk?
Originally posted by carver9
What has current Speak Yat or the yat that fought Prime done that outs him above Superman or even Hulk?
Well, as a Daxamite he's pretty comparable to Superman. Then he got the Ion entity. I guess that's something he did.
But you want feats showing him above Superman or Hulk. Well, how about going a few rounds with SBP?
Next...
Originally posted by Cogito
Well, as a Daxamite he's pretty comparable to Superman. Then he got the Ion entity. I guess that's something he did.But you want feats showing him above Superman or Hulk. Well, how about going a few rounds with SBP?
Next...
Wondergirl did that and Superboy on more than one occasion had Prime against the ropes and actualky busted his nose open.
What has ION done that puts him over Hulk and Superman?
Originally posted by Cogito
Went a few rounds with SBP in a non-jobbing/plot forced/context involved situation.
Who has Prime defeated that puts him on Zeus level in a one on one match? Please let's not use team battles because Despero and Black Adam has wrecked elite teams and they are no where close to being what Odin is. What solo fight has Prime ran through that puts him on Zeus level and what makes ION...a inexperienced ION so beastly?
Originally posted by carver9
Who has Prime defeated that puts him on Zeus level in a one on one match?
Dude, I said SBP has greater strength and combat feats than Zeus. I did not say that SBP would beat Zeus in a fight.
Now, tell me who Zeus has defeated in HtH combat that puts him on SBP level? (Don't say Hulk, we're not going there)
Originally posted by Cogito
Dude, I said SBP has greater strength and combat feats than Zeus. I did not say that SBP would beat Zeus in a fight.Now, tell me who Zeus has defeated in HtH combat that puts him on SBP level? (Don't say Hulk, we're not going there)
The minimum...Thor. Your turn...who has Prime defeated?
Originally posted by Cogito
Dude, I said SBP has greater strength and combat feats than Zeus. I did not say that SBP would beat Zeus in a fight.Now, tell me who Zeus has defeated in HtH combat that puts him on SBP level? (Don't say Hulk, we're not going there)
He didn't beat Hulk; he ragestomped Hulk to the point that Hulk couldn't regen properly.
Who? Typhoon.