Thor and Surfer run the growing GL Gauntlet
1 Guy Gardner
2 Guy Gardner and John Stewart
3 Guy Gardner and John Stewart and Kyle Rayner
4 Guy Gardner and John Stewart and Kyle Rayner and Hal Jordan
5 Guy Gardner/John Stewart/Kyle Rayner/Hal Jordan/ Alan Scott
6 Guy Gardner/John Stewart/Kyle Rayner/Hal Jordan/Alan Scott/ Sinestro
Fight on mars
how far do Thor and Surfer get?
Originally posted by Bentley
Ah, ok, you don't know the characters. That explains it 👆
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I know everyone involved in this match pretty well. And between Thor and Surfer, whose energy manipulation/output don't have set limitations on them nor have energy levels which can be dropped to next to nothing, the Lanterns are fighting an uphill battle.
Alan Scott is the only one who can comfortably fight Thor or Surfer one on one and walk away with a majority.
I'm not exactly sure which energy manipulation feats are you selling, though I agree that energy absorption give Thor a good matchup against the GLs, but Surfer has not that kind of advantage. Any of these lanters can take some wins from Surfer -in the case of Kyle more than just "some"-, to think he can take on two is ludicrous.
Actually, I don't see Thor taking a majority against John and Guy at the same time.
Originally posted by Bentley
I'm not exactly sure which energy manipulation feats are you selling, though I agree that energy absorption give Thor a good matchup against the GLs, but Surfer has not that kind of advantage. Any of these lanters can take some wins from Surfer -in the case of Kyle more than just "some"-, to think he can take on two is ludicrous.Actually, I don't see Thor taking a majority against John and Guy at the same time.
Thor and Surfer are going to last longer in an extended fight than any of the Earth Lanterns, though. Between their stamina, durability, energy manipulation, etc, they simply operate on a higher level than Lanterns do and for longer barring amps/entities. Thor would get at least 6-7/10 against the best Lanterns due to his own advantages over GLs. And it would take two Lanterns to comfortably beat either Surfer or Thor in a manner to overcome the advantages they hold over them. Three isn't going to do it.
Alan Scott, of course, is an entirely different story.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Thor and Surfer are going to last longer in an extended fight than any of the Earth Lanterns, though. Between their stamina, durability, energy manipulation, etc, they simply operate on a higher level than Lanterns do and for longer barring amps/entities. Thor would get at least 6-7/10 against the best Lanterns due to his own advantages over GLs. And it would take two Lanterns to comfortably beat either Surfer or Thor in a manner to overcome the advantages they hold over them. Three isn't going to do it.Alan Scott, of course, is an entirely different story.
This. Another thing is that Surfer is immune to most slashing or piercing damage, which many GL constructs are aimed at producing. He has healed himself almost instantaneously after being cut up into pieces, and when his fingers got sliced off in annihilators, he simply regenerating them without effort. Likewise, surprise attacks from surfer's board have repeatedly shown to be quite devastating, and helps balance out differences in numbers.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Thor and Surfer are going to last longer in an extended fight than any of the Earth Lanterns, though. Between their stamina, durability, energy manipulation, etc, they simply operate on a higher level than Lanterns do and for longer barring amps/entities. Thor would get at least 6-7/10 against the best Lanterns due to his own advantages over GLs. And it would take two Lanterns to comfortably beat either Surfer or Thor in a manner to overcome the advantages they hold over them. Three isn't going to do it.Alan Scott, of course, is an entirely different story.
Kyle can last long enough against either Thor and Surfer to have John and Guy finish the other one. Then it's three on one.
If this were individual matches maybe you'd need 4, but the Lanterns are much better team players and will get a lot of momentum after taking one of their opponents down.
Originally posted by Simbon
This. Another thing is that Surfer is immune to most slashing or piercing damage, which many GL constructs are aimed at producing. He has healed himself almost instantaneously after being cut up into pieces, and when his fingers got sliced off in annihilators, he simply regenerating them without effort. Likewise, surprise attacks from surfer's board have repeatedly shown to be quite devastating, and helps balance out differences in numbers.
Citing the Annihilators example, in which Surfer had to back down because being cut actually hinder him isn't the best example to back up your argument.
Originally posted by Bentley
Kyle can last long enough against either Thor and Surfer to have John and Guy finish the other one. Then it's three on one.If this were individual matches maybe you'd need 4, but the Lanterns are much better team players and will get a lot of momentum after taking one of their opponents down.
John and Guy - god damn it - are going to be the first to fall here, though.
Hal and Kyle are good, great even, but against Thor and/or Surfer, it's a fight they'll ultimately lose. The teamwork angle is actually what stops them from being beaten soundly, but considering Thor and Surfer's ability to effect a large radius/scope (ie. multi planetary storms) they're more than equipped to deal with them.
Realistically, one of the Lanterns will fall before either Thor or Surfer does. Their very finite levels of power/energy doesn't help them in a match against two guys who can fight extended battles far longer than either of them can.