Did God create the universe??

Originally posted by dadudemon
Based on the "objective truth" ideas, our thinking ability has the power to create or alter outcomes (this is actual fact, ie, particle duality)

You can't alter that outcome of that sort of thing, its random. At best you can be the cause of an "observation", which basically anything can do.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Is it arrogance for me to want to transcend to such levels of consciousness? Is it futility and silly pipe dreams?

Mu. You do not even understand enough to ask the question.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
You can't alter that outcome of that sort of thing, its random. At best you can be the cause of an "observation", which basically anything can do.

It's not random and you have no idea what you're talking about.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Mu. You do not even understand enough to ask the question.

I could take this multiple ways but I'll take it the least rude option possible.

I do understand enough to ask the question because I understood enough to ask it.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Whether we understand the methods are immaterial to knowing if they exist or not. I find that most of the time when people say that "big name scientists believe this" its based on popsci TV shows or offhand comments that they've made rather than having even a passing familiarity with the science that is being done. It's an appeal to authority that I'm particularly skeptical of as a result.

http://xkcd.com/947/ (mouseover text is relevant)

I have the quotes if you want them.

I think our comprehension is not quite at the level to understand what created the universe, its far larger than we can probably understand, that does not mean you have to slot a "god" figuire in where he may or may not fit to cover something. Theres nothing wrong with just saying you dont know and leaving it at that. This covers the "something came from nothing" argument, whereby theres not necesserily "nothing" there, it just does not have to be God, it could be a force we have yet to discover or observe.

Originally posted by Burning thought
I think our comprehension is not quite at the level to understand what created the universe, its far larger than we can probably understand, that does not mean you have to slot a "god" figuire in where he may or may not fit to cover something. Theres nothing wrong with just saying you dont know and leaving it at that. This covers the "something came from nothing" argument, whereby theres not necesserily "nothing" there, it just does not have to be God, it could be a force we have yet to discover or observe.

By that logic I could deny your "force" explanation by claiming that one day we may find God.

That seems to rely upon belief in a "force" that may or may not be discovered sometime in the future and currently has no evidence supporting it.

It almost sounds like you are denying the current findings because you don't want them to be true. Not because you have any valid reason to believe they are wrong.

Well we have many forces attributed to our knowledge and zero findings of Gods, I would say my "suggestion" is more sound and more likely. Also, what "current" findings? There are no "findings" of God or are you talking about something else?

If a god did create this universe, I really doubt its a god that is already in a religion (catholicism, christianity, etc.) because we really have no findings or evidence to believe so.

Just because we can not understand how the universe was created does not mean we have to give credit to some god. In fact, thats the exact reason why we should not say a god created the universe... because we don't know.

I am not denying the existence of a god, I am just saying its very, very unlikely that it was a god of some sort who created the universe, imo. Physics and nature are weird, I doubt we would ever understand it fully. Most people get lazy and instead of saying "i dont know" and thinking about it, they just fall to the easy solution and say "[a]god" did it.

No, God created the universe.

Define god please.

Originally posted by Transmaniacon
Define god please.

The something that created the universe/multiverse.

You're welcome.

Originally posted by dadudemon
The something that created the universe/multiverse.

You're welcome.

Originally posted by Transmaniacon
Define god please.

Originally posted by Transmaniacon
i'm going to say no, i like the idea of god being a by product of the universe

That's actually what I believe the Judeo-Christian God is: a by-product of the universe.

ddm, what is up with your ava and sig?

Originally posted by Mindset
ddm, what is up with your ava and sig?

It looks delicious. That's what's up. 😄

Originally posted by Transmaniacon
Define god please.

/thread.

If your labeling "whatever created the universe" then I agree with that interpretation, its when you add the whole "sentient" addition, and the 3 O's things get into what is imo fiction.

Originally posted by Burning thought
If your labeling "whatever created the universe" then I agree with that interpretation, its when you add the whole "sentient" addition, and the 3 O's things get into what is imo fiction.

As for the 3 O's...I'm gonna let someone else touch that one.

I would say theres no reason to belive it is concious and any conclusion we make would likely be far off, whether it is or is not, cannot be gauged or tested.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Well we have many forces attributed to our knowledge and zero findings of Gods, I would say my "suggestion" is more sound and more likely. Also, what "current" findings? There are no "findings" of God or are you talking about something else?

Your suggestion doesn't use any force we know of. It relies almost completely on us discovering one sometime in the future. If we apply that same logic to the existence of God, I can claim it's logical to believe in God because we'll probably find God at some point in the future. Which isn't a valid reason to believe in God.

I wasn't talking about findings of God. I was talking about cosmological findings and what they currently say about the origin of the universe.