Originally posted by Brockalizer
Two Kryptonians or not Superman is highly durrable. To him getting hit with the bus should feel the same as you or I getting hit with a pillow.
Ah you see your saying what "should" happen, and that doesnt mean much in superhero movies.
The Earth "should" go flying out of orbit if you spin it back on its axis, but it didn't in Superman 1. It wasnt the bus that knocked him out, it was the 2 kryptonians. Assuming he was knocked out, and not just playing possum as someone else noted.
Originally posted by Silent Master
I never said Hulk would win, I'm just pointing out that people are over-rating Zod's strength.
How so??
Your just assuming he cant lift something like a mountian, or push the moon, because we didnt see him do it.
Did it ever occur to you he never lifted a mountain, or push a moon, because he had no reason to?? Although he did grapple with the guy who can do those things with ease.
Did you ever see him struggle strength wise?? (apart from against Supes)..
Do you also think we are overrating his durability and power??
If so did you miss the parts where no weapon of the military, could hurt him, or even annoy him?? The part where he's easily flying around the Earth within hours. The part where simple blasts of his eye beams are easily destroying military crafts. The part where he simply blows and creates hurricane type winds??
Or the part pivotal to the movie where all the Earth's Leaders surrender to him???
Originally posted by CogitoDon't you mean circular logic? It was never stated in the movie that Superman was "playing possum" to protect the people on the bus, but because it makes Superman look weaker people are assuming that he was. He's couldn't dodge the bus or manhole covering being thrown at him at glacier like speed, but the special fx departments fault. Superman's movie feats were much more impressive than any of the feats performed by the Kryptonians, but because they come from the same place they MUST be just as powerful even though they clearly aren't. Their combat skills in the movie were piss poor, but we should assume that they are on par. In the movie the full might of the worlds military was never unleashed on the Kryptonians, but because a spineless politician says "it's useless", we should assume that he is right.
Logic.
We don't really know how fast the manhole cover and the like was moving, though. Even when Zod and his crew flew to Supermans fortress, it didn't look like they were traveling very fast, but they must have been.
Plus, in comics it happens all the time that from a speedsters perspective against each other, they're going at normal speeds.. It's everyone else that sees them going in fast motion, so we can rationalize that we were seeing the speed of things from their perspective, e.g. slow to us but really fast to the man on the street..
Originally posted by cdtm
We don't really know how fast the manhole cover and the like was moving, though. Even when Zod and his crew flew to Supermans fortress, it didn't look like they were traveling very fast, but they must have been.
It wasn't that fast. At least not to the point where it would be intolerable for a human because they had Lois and Luthor with them.
Originally posted by Brockalizer
Don't you mean circular logic? It was never stated in the movie that Superman was "playing possum" to protect the people on the bus, but because it makes Superman look weaker people are assuming that he was. He's couldn't dodge the bus or manhole covering being thrown at him at glacier like speed, but the special fx departments fault. Superman's movie feats were much more impressive than any of the feats performed by the Kryptonians, but because they come from the same place they MUST be just as powerful even though they clearly aren't. Their combat skills in the movie were piss poor, but we should assume that they are on par. In the movie the full might of the worlds military was never unleashed on the Kryptonians, but because a spineless politician says "it's useless", we should assume that he is right.
The movies are old. Special effects weren't what they are now. Do you honestly expect us to believe they have the skills and reaction times of a child with downs syndrome?
Apply some logic and figure it out.
It's a movie for crying out loud. A gentle push at slow human speed can send a man flying blocks away or a human speed punch that can send Non many miles away through tonnage of metal. That proves we shouldn't judge power by the speed in which the movie watcher is seeing things.
Also the fact that Zod couldn't EVEN FEEL the artillery tank shells or the aircraft bombs proves that it was useless. How do you go from not feeling a thing to becoming defeated if the world's military decided to give it their all?
Also, according to the movie the time spend on Earth is irrelevant to how powerful a kryptonian can get. Kal as a baby automatically had super strength and lifted a freaking car while smiling. The movie actually explain that the CLOSER they get to an atmosphere with only 1 yellow sun then the denser their molecular structure gets, giving them powers. Zod himself knocked Superman many miles away through the freaking statue of liberty. This is far more than a 10 ton feat. Hulk only showed 10 ton strength at best with a very slow ability to gain a little amount of extra strength with basically no healing factor. Also we have Non catch one of the tank's shells with utmost ease proving that their reflexes and speed is nothing to mess around with.