Originally posted by ColossusGrundybeen consistently stated by Flash/Supes that when they have their little races Barry holds back considerably. Also Flash's TP resistance is variable based on storyline for plot reasons and IIRC is explained that he accelerates his thoughts too quickly to be processed by a TP to do any kind of altercation.
How can he take it away?He can move faster in general, but he's not THAT much faster than Supes.......historically.
an intangible MM can't be touched by Flash (as long as he doesn't do the fetal position thing that MM always does on the toon)
Like most of Flash's shown abilities his TP resistance is usually ignored because the way writers explain his abilities have damning implications when it comes to writing a story due to the way they can be abused. I mean a flash seriously trying full steam with no CIS is always going to speedforce dump/ speed steal/ IMP spam/spam punches faster than anything in the universe can react. Mind you at the least this applies after rebirth. I've said it somewhere else that as of Flashpoint I think Flash may have been removed from the timeline as Zoom was because he retained his memories of the alternate timeline after he corrected them which going along with the rest of Flashpoint should have caused him to lose all memories of the alternate timeline.
Originally posted by SlaaneshAgreed one trick ponies are not necessarily going to be a bad thing. I mean Hulk is a one trick pony and I don't see carver complaining that he's suddenly capable of destroying at the least the immediate area of the dark dimension.
same here..agree to disagree then 🙂
Anyways my point is having one trick is not necessarily bad if that one trick lets you murder everyone else competing with you.
Originally posted by ColossusGrundy
How can he take it away?He can move faster in general, but he's not THAT much faster than Supes.......historically.
an intangible MM can't be touched by Flash (as long as he doesn't do the fetal position thing that MM always does on the toon)
Both of those Flashes are faster than Superman, and they could very well steal the speed from both J'onn and Clark. The telepathy angle is something to worry about though, at least for Wally.
Originally posted by leonidas
he speeds up his brain and mm can't affect him with tp. he's not immune and it has to be actively done.flashes win.
Did he ever do that more than once? I think he did it once when fighting against BL Manhunter (he did do good against flash with his telepathy but then flash did the whole speed up the brain thing).
Originally posted by Martian_mindAccept the fact that the Flash is broken... As much as I support him I wish he was nerfed in Flashpoint and went to a Jay Garrick level afterwards. SF in general is ass broken.
**** this, Jonn and Superman.Honest to god, KMC has such a ridiculous opinion of Flash. **** everyone involved in this thread for making me simutaneously agree with Pr and declare Superman a winner.
Originally posted by Lord Feron
Did he ever do that more than once? I think he did it once when fighting against BL Manhunter (he did do good against flash with his telepathy but then flash did the whole speed up the brain thing).
i want to say yes, but i don't think it was barry. one of them flat out outran a tp attack as well at one point.
speedster threads are useless because they are essentially indefensible. someone debating against a flash needs to summon cis to make a case, but there are so many instances of flashes doing stupidly powerful things that these things CAN be seen as in-character to some degree. to add to the difficulty is the fact that anytime a flash IS hit it's summarily dismissed as pis. what's more common, flash getting hit in a battle, or flash stealing speed? the threads will always end the same way, with people arguing powerset and extrapolating things to some ludicrous level and the opposition citing cis and examples that the other side claim are nothing more than pis. and it's practucally impossible for a marvel character to debate against a flash because there is no analog to flash in marvel and hence no proof a marvel character can react to a flash-level fast character. so, yeah. what's the point? 😐
Originally posted by leonidasyou've hit the nail on the head there. That's why I'm holding out for a powers retcon to severely limit Barry to encourage more character consistency rather than give him feats and abilities that he pulls out years apart with no explanation as to why he doesn't use them regularly or why someone like Cold/90% of his rogues gallery has even a remote chance against him.
i want to say yes, but i don't think it was barry. one of them flat out outran a tp attack as well at one point.speedster threads are useless because they are essentially indefensible. someone debating against a flash needs to summon cis to make a case, but there are so many instances of flashes doing stupidly powerful things that these things CAN be seen as in-character to some degree. to add to the difficulty is the fact that anytime a flash IS hit it's summarily dismissed as pis. what's more common, flash getting hit in a battle, or flash stealing speed? the threads will always end the same way, with people arguing powerset and extrapolating things to some ludicrous level and the opposition citing cis and examples that the other side claim are nothing more than pis. and it's practucally impossible for a marvel character to debate against a flash because there is no analog to flash in marvel and hence no proof a marvel character can react to a flash-level fast character. so, yeah. what's the point? 😐
Originally posted by leonidasWho in DC can react to a Flash-level fast character in DC? CIS or no CIS? Unless the answer is "no DC character other than Flash/Zoom-level characters can react" then I don't see the issue as being a DC vs. Marvel dichotomy. It's more of a Flash/Zoom vs. everyone else issue.
i want to say yes, but i don't think it was barry. one of them flat out outran a tp attack as well at one point.speedster threads are useless because they are essentially indefensible. someone debating against a flash needs to summon cis to make a case, but there are so many instances of flashes doing stupidly powerful things that these things CAN be seen as in-character to some degree. to add to the difficulty is the fact that anytime a flash IS hit it's summarily dismissed as pis. what's more common, flash getting hit in a battle, or flash stealing speed? the threads will always end the same way, with people arguing powerset and extrapolating things to some ludicrous level and the opposition citing cis and examples that the other side claim are nothing more than pis. and it's practucally impossible for a marvel character to debate against a flash because there is no analog to flash in marvel and hence no proof a marvel character can react to a flash-level fast character. so, yeah. what's the point? 😐
Originally posted by abhilegend
^ Superman can and has reacted to thawne. It's johns' wanking that made flash so much faster than kal, otherwise historically it's just as a famous rivalry as captain marvel/superman or thor/hulk.
also can't remember the issue but Flash and Supes are in a diner discussing Flash and his speed. It's a point where the issue of attosecond perception is brought up as Flash's standard level of perception.
