Martian Manhunter & Superman Vs Wally West & Barry Allen

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Originally posted by Uriel005
against this team a couple of IMP's isn't really lethal. Also only threat is MM TP Supes is shown to be slower and won't be tagging the pair.

Oh, I thought he meant the speed stealing. My mistake.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Ah, so basically you assume with utter reckless abandon that time stopped to the tune of 1,000,000,000,000,000x human speed. I get it though: in your opinion that cup would have fallen 16 feet in 1 sec. That's the American school system for you. But, whatever. Ok. Like I said, even granted your estimation...

Typical, you spin it around and make it look like I'm an ass for using facts, when your entire argument is based on your opinion that it couldn't have taken place in an attosecond. You have no facts to back up your side so you resort to the insult game. That's cool, if that's all you've got to work with.

I'm confused as to how gravity is my "opinion". You're going to have to explain that one to me.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
... somehow you extrapolated 1,000,000,000,000,000x human speed from that.

I never said the conversation happened in an attosecond.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Do me a favor, get your head out of your a$$. Seriously. It's not your fault.

hmm Your misplaced insults have convinced me of the truth behind your words. notworthy

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Pretty much all DC speed proponents who think DC speed > Marvel speed act this way anyway. But seriously. WTF?

DC speed is greater than Marvel speed. That's based on feats. I'm sorry that Marvel doesn't have them. I'm sorry that Marvel doesn't apparently want to have them. I'm sorry that you're a god damn crybaby because things aren't the way you want them to be.

Originally posted by Cogito
Typical, you spin it around and make it look like I'm an ass for using facts, when your entire argument is based on your opinion that it couldn't have taken place in an attosecond. You have no facts to back up your side so you resort to the insult game. That's cool, if that's all you've got to work with.
Oh, really?
Originally posted by Cogito
I never said the conversation happened in an attosecond.
Let me know when you figure it out so that I don't have to accuse you of moving the goalposts. Here I thought you were defending Ureil005's claims.
Originally posted by Cogito
DC speed is greater than Marvel speed. That's based on feats. I'm sorry that Marvel doesn't have them. I'm sorry that Marvel doesn't apparently want to have them. I'm sorry that you're a god damn crybaby because things aren't the way you want them to be.
This has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. I get it though. You don't want it pointed out that Kang has feats like Flash. Don't worry, that secret's between us.

Originally posted by Cogito

DC speed is greater than Marvel speed. That's based on feats. I'm sorry that Marvel doesn't have them. I'm sorry that Marvel doesn't apparently want to have them. I'm sorry that you're a god damn crybaby because things aren't the way you want them to be. [/B]

Isnt the runner from Marvel Flash quality speed?

Originally posted by Whiteclipse
Isnt the runner from Marvel Flash quality speed?
marvel doesn't really seem to care about flash-like characters, so no. however, there are instances where they do show the weight of having high level speed, for example when makkari was stuck in "hyper mode" after the galactic race, only the runner and fast-forward (a barry allen homage character) were able to speak with him. every other being in the planet was frozen as they were out of synch with the level of speed they were operating at until makkari was cured off-panel was

makkari is usually the only one they really touch on when it comes to flash like feats, and he's only sporadic in appearance, every several years or so these days.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Who in DC can react to a Flash-level fast character in DC? CIS or no CIS? Unless the answer is "no DC character other than Flash/Zoom-level characters can react" then I don't see the issue as being a DC vs. Marvel dichotomy. It's more of a Flash/Zoom vs. everyone else issue.

some of flash's rogues, basically. zoom, impulse, inertia, etc. legion has had uber speedsters as well. superman has some crazy speed feats, but not highest flash level. we'll disagree on the dichotomy, at least to an extent. uber speed (even if it's not at the level of flash) is a basic part of a lot of dc's characters while it is not the same in marvel. that's not to say SOME marvel guys don't have great speed feats, but certainly nothing on the level of the flashes.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You really think Superman is keeping pace with attosecond timing during his diner conversation with Flash?

🙄

Whatever. Please. Explain it to me. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, after all.


Originally posted by Uriel005
wanking or not
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/6028/57475289.jpg

also can't remember the issue but Flash and Supes are in a diner discussing Flash and his speed. It's a point where the issue of attosecond perception is brought up as Flash's standard level of perception.

by the way where in this does it say anywhere that superman is keeping up with an attosecond conversation. I'm curious... here I'll let you read it again..

also can't remember the issue but Flash and Supes are in a diner discussing Flash and his speed. It's a point where the issue of attosecond perception is brought up as Flash's standard level of perception.

don't see anywhere in here anything about me mentioning superman and any level of speed in there. The intention of the context of the comic was to point out Barry was faster IIRC...

Originally posted by Uriel005
don't see anywhere in here anything about me mentioning superman and any level of speed in there. The intention of the context of the comic was to point out Barry was faster IIRC...

Don't worry, he's just trolling hard and throwing around bogus claims and opinions while making it seem like he's always been in the right here.

Just ignore it.

^ I get it, nice quaneuvers. I start ridiculing the association of attosecond timing with that scene, you both start defending that notion with several replies to the ridicule, and now all of a sudden, neither of you were ever trying to claim otherwise during the entire course of that conversation. Classic.

Someone call the groundskeeper, the goalposts, they've been moved. Getting you both to separate attosecond timing from that speed-eating pie feat is reason enough to end this conversation though.

Originally posted by ColossusGrundy
Can the Flashes outrun telepathy?

I don't think so. Even if Manhunter doesn't take them down, he surely can go intangible and slow them down enough for Supes or himself to smack them a couple of good times (which would be enough).

Team 1 FTW for this reason 9/10.

if telepathy works on the flashes supes and MM can win, but thats the only way.

it wouldn't work here since they know who they are facing and could both speed their brains up to make themselves immune to mm's tp.

Team 2 easily.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I get it, nice quaneuvers. I start ridiculing the association of attosecond timing with that scene, you both start defending that notion with several replies to the ridicule, and now all of a sudden, neither of you were ever trying to claim otherwise during the entire course of that conversation. Classic.

Someone call the groundskeeper, the goalposts, they've been moved. Getting you both to separate attosecond timing from that speed-eating pie feat is reason enough to end this conversation though.

Sorry your reading comprehension is kindergarten level, but I only asked if you denied the diner scene happened, which you basically did.

Originally posted by Uriel005
wanking or not
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/6028/57475289.jpg

also can't remember the issue but Flash and Supes are in a diner discussing Flash and his speed. It's a point where the issue of attosecond perception is brought up as Flash's standard level of perception.




Originally posted by Cogito
Sorry your reading comprehension is kindergarten level, but I only asked if you denied the diner scene happened, which you basically did.
You can go back and look at what I stated. I denied that it happened at attosecond level, because that's what I thought was being insinuated. That's literally a billionth upon billionth of a second. Then you started objecting to my refutation. So I thought you were taking the opposite stance, that it did happen at attosecond level. Then you didn't (apparently). Just that it happened at all. Of course it happened. Just that based on the orientation of the waitress and the stuff she dropped from beginning of time-slowing down to when Flash started reorganizing stuff, I'm not going to assume it happened at ridiculous superspeeds never seen in Marvel -- which is something people keep insinuating (but never you, of course).