Originally posted by Sadako of GirthNo, he is not. Call me when McClane can actually beat a woman down on her own and we will talk.
You certainly seem to feel like you have to pull him off, thats for sure.Its true. Crying about it won't help you.
Zan is scared of all those things? Wow. Makes sense though.
I understand he snapped the guy's neck in DH4, but I think he caught that guy off guard. Does he have any good H2H feats in which he doesn't catch the guy off guard?
Van Zan seems like the more skilled fighter.
Originally posted by Lestov16
I understand he snapped the guy's neck in DH4, but I think he caught that guy off guard. Does he have any good H2H feats in which he doesn't catch the guy off guard?Van Zan seems like the more skilled fighter.
John has actually killed and ko'd people with HTH, who has Zan ko'd or killed?
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Your grammar made no sense.McClane beat ninja chick. He put her down, KO'd her (she was knocked clean out) and could have done anything he liked to her..
Fact.
Nope. She blatantly kicked his ass and you're fooling nobody with your overhyping. McClane is a God in Melee combat no question, but pure H2H? He doesn't cut the mustard. Sorry.
Originally posted by Silent Master
John has actually killed and ko'd people with HTH, who has Zan ko'd or killed?
All of which happened due to him catching his opponent completely off guard. Prove that he will lay a hand on Van Zan if they fight face to face in a fair fight. Prove Van Zan won't simply block or dodge McClane's one-hit KO, or his neck-snap grab.
Originally posted by Lestov16
All of which happened due to him catching his opponent completely off guard. Prove that he will lay a hand on Van Zan if they fight face to face in a fair fight. Prove Van Zan won't simply block or dodge McClane's one-hit KO, or his neck-snap grab.
Quinn was able to hit him, this idea that Zan is completely untouchable isn't supported by the movie.
Originally posted by Lestov16
I understand he snapped the guy's neck in DH4, but I think he caught that guy off guard. Does he have any good H2H feats in which he doesn't catch the guy off guard?
Yeah Watch DH 5. Copuple of real nice one shot KOs.
One heavy set thug about to road rage Mcclane AFTER having hit McClane with his car. Mcclane annihilates him in one.
Later on in the movie he is fast enough with yet another ligthning and thunder hook that does this guy who was a top level Russian mafia hood/special forces type merc whom actually had Mcclane covered with an automatic machine gun.
Tip: Catching you opponent off guard is classed as "fair play" in combat and it helps you win, not sending them a telegram informing them of your attack timing and method..
Van Zan seems like the more skilled fighter. [/QUOTE]
Low ball all you want. Van Zan wouldn't have survived those guys. Hell he'd even rage quit and dive in the jet engine intake.
Van Zan sat on his opponent's arms, hit him 5 times unguarded, and headbutted him and did NO damage even with all that gruffing, grunting, posing he was doing straddling Quinn.
McClane wins.
Originally posted by Lestov16
Nope. She blatantly kicked his ass and you're fooling nobody with your overhyping. McClane is a God in Melee combat no question, but pure H2H? He doesn't cut the mustard. Sorry.
No hype. He factually did everything I described. Sorry.
Already just told you about H2H feats that blow Van Zans not only out of the water, but also off of the Earth.
Originally posted by Lestov16
All of which happened due to him catching his opponent completely off guard. Prove that he will lay a hand on Van Zan if they fight face to face in a fair fight. Prove Van Zan won't simply block or dodge McClane's one-hit KO, or his neck-snap grab.
Simple. VZ'll be too unconscious after the first lightning shot lands to do ANYTHING.
Van Zan has demonstrated NOTHING that indicates that he would be able to block, or even react to that speed and power of those kind of shots.
From your position on this; I'll have to assume you've not seen 5 yet.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Low ball all you want. Van Zan wouldn't have survived those guys. Hell he'd even rage quit and dive in the jet engine intake.
Van Zan sat on his opponent's arms, hit him 5 times unguarded, and headbutted him and did NO damage even with all that gruffing, grunting, posing he was doing straddling Quinn.
McClane wins.
You'll notice that McClane managed to land several hits on both of those soldiers and they were both fresh , whereas McClane had been fighting and taking damage throughout the movie.
Originally posted by Silent Master
You'll notice that McClane managed to land several hits on both of those soldiers and they were both fresh , whereas McClane had been fighting and taking damage throughout the movie.
I understand, but once again, he caught those guys off guard. He's horribly lost every fair H2H fight he's fought except for John Amos.
YouTube video
http://www.hulu.com/watch/12382
He lost against Targo in DH3, which is why he needed the chain.
There's also a scene in DH4 where a guy grabs him from behind and McClane can not overpower him, so he's forced to grab the guy's gun from his holster and kill him with it. The fact he couldn't overpower him first counts as a loss.
Post the clips of him killing people in H2H (besides the off-guard neck snap from DH4)