Gorgon vs Morlun

Originally posted by SamZED
Morlun covered like 20 feet faster than Spider-man could cover 5.

When was this? Not saying it wrong I just don't remeber the entire arc. I dont feel that is a fair representation of how there speed was displayed through out there fights. Spiderman always seemed the faster, more agile of the two. Landing and dodging more attacks by noticeable amount. Morlun just was far more durable and spiderman could not put him down. Which combind with Morlun combat speed made for crazy mixture, for unlike most bricks morlun was capable of catch spiderman. However he was not as fiast as spidermn

Originally posted by Bentley
Thing-Reed has broken adamantium...

Originally posted by Parmaniac
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The guy was never really defeated in a straight battle.

spiderman gave him a hell of a fight

Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk

Though that is impressive, it should be adressed that not primary adamatium, it secondary and by far the most common. Though that industructable by human standards, it not industractable by strong class 100's especially a net.

Originally posted by SamZED

And he's been hit with hundred vibranium missles. With literally no effect. Shouldnt that make him beast as well?

Originally posted by zopzop
The adamantium net feat and vibranium nuke feat are stupid insane. jawdrop How the hell is this guy a "Spidey" villain? He could challenge Thor or WBH!

Thats because he was not nearly depicted as that powerful when he fought spiderman. He got significant boost he power (not to say he was weak at all before

Originally posted by SamZED
Morlun covered like 20 feet faster than Spider-man could cover 5.

When was this? Not saying it wrong I just don't remeber the entire arc. I dont feel that is a fair representation of how there speed was displayed through out there fights. Spiderman always seemed the faster, more agile of the two. Landing and dodging more attacks by noticeable amount. Morlun just was far more durable and spiderman could not put him down. Which combind with Morlun combat speed made for crazy mixture, for unlike most bricks morlun was capable of catch spiderman. However he was not as fiast as spidermn

Originally posted by Bentley
Thing-Reed has broken adamantium...

Morlun was always clearly beyond anything Spiderman could handle. We never got to see the extent of his powers when he fought Spiderman because he was toying with him.

When do you think it was that he got his boost?

[QUOTE=13565532]Originally posted by Parmaniac
[B]YouTube video

I don't have the scans at hand and neither am I willing to upload entire comics but I found this vid, it actually shows their entire fight. You will recognize that Spider-Man simply isn't able to avoid him even out of attacks he gets tagged by Morlun and once he easily catches his webbing. He also just walks through a wall at one point and swats away a car that was thrown at him by Spider-Man like it's a fly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morlun

"Morlun had some degree of superhuman strength and durability, the limits of which aren't fully known. Spider-Man states that Morlun hits harder than any foe he had ever battled, including the Hulk and Thor."

If I'm not mistaken that was originally stated in his official marvel bio but I can't find it, seems that Marvel has taken them down...

EDIT: Another one

Wasent it stated on pannel though that it was due to his ability to absorb life force. I also think in that hand book your referring to (which may have been spiderman one) his strength is listed as toping at at 25 tons or some such.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan

Thats because he was not nearly depicted as that powerful when he fought spiderman. He got significant boost he power (not to say he was weak at all before

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
When was this? Not saying it wrong I just don't remeber the entire arc. I dont feel that is a fair representation of how there speed was displayed through out there fights. Spiderman always seemed the faster, more agile of the two. Landing and dodging more attacks by noticeable amount. Morlun just was far more durable and spiderman could not put him down. Which combind with Morlun combat speed made for crazy mixture, for unlike most bricks morlun was capable of catch spiderman. However he was not as fiast as spidermn

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
[QUOTE=13565532][i]Wasent it stated on pannel though that it was due to his ability to absorb life force. I also think in that hand book your referring to (which may have been spiderman one) his strength is listed as toping at at 25 tons or some such.

EDIT: And yes his powerlevel depends on how charged he is, kinda like Galactus.

Originally posted by Mindset
Morlun was always clearly beyond anything Spiderman could handle. We never got to see the extent of his powers when he fought Spiderman because he was toying with him.

When do you think it was that he got his boost?

When the writer wish him too. Just like has happen with numerous villains when they branch off to other heros there powers levels will be alter/or increase or decrease. This is sometimes explained, but others times not so much. To great examples are Sabre-tooth and King Ping.

There is a very clear difference in his current depiction and when he was spiderman villain.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
[QUOTE=13565532]Wasent it stated on pannel though that it was due to his ability to absorb life force. I also think in that hand book your referring to (which may have been spiderman one) his strength is listed as toping at at 25 tons or some such.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Not sure I really only remember something about his strenth being close to Thor (stated) not saying he would beat Thor but the powergap between Spider-Man and Thor is very big and Morlun is somewhere between maybe he's somewhere in the middle or maybe he's equal to thor IDK just thought it was worth mentioning.

Yes spiderman said this, and it was on pannel in fact. He said "he hits harder then anyone I ever met, stronger then thor even" paraphrasing. However it was later revealed to Spiderman that this was caused by his ability to drain life force making his apeare stronger then they were because they weaken spiderman drastically.

This however has clearly changed, because he seem much stronger in his latest incarnation.

Originally posted by SamZED
THat wasnt really confirmed anywhere. Pretty sure its one of KMC myths. Its just people knew he can absorb life force AND that his punches feel like Hulk's so they just assumed its the life force that made 'em s powerful. But I guess if he can rip adamantium, even a secondary one.. its not a stretch to assume he just hits that hard.

But when he fought spiderman he clearly was not depicted to be that powerful. He clearly recieved and amp like other villains before him.

Originally posted by Parmaniac

EDIT: And yes his powerlevel depends on how charged he is, kinda like Galactus.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
so has hulk, thor, IF ect.
.......................

Hulk, Thor and IF have broken adamantium? OMG, when?

Though that is impressive, it should be adressed that not primary adamatium, it secondary and by far the most common. Though that industructable by human standards, it not industractable by strong class 100's especially a net.

Is this true? Can anyone confirm? If true............ 🙁

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Spidermn did better then your implying, but yes he was beyond spidermans abilities to beat without cricumstance favoring him. He was spidermans equivalent of Gorgon.

When the writer wish him too. Just like has happen with numerous villains when they branch off to other heros there powers levels will be alter/or increase or decrease. This is sometimes explained, but others times not so much. To great examples are Sabre-tooth and King Ping.

There is a very clear difference in his current depiction and when he was spiderman villain.

Spiderman could not to anything to Morlun, he couldn't even run away.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
wasent this add in later during the black panther fight, I dont recall it being stated in spiderman issues.

Originally posted by SamZED
Its not that he wasnt that powerful, he's just one of those villains whose full potential gets revealed in time and has a number of weird powers. Sometimes he's invisible, sometimes not etc He was toying wth Spider-man basically.

Originally posted by SamZED

You're right, that's how most of the fight went but not because Morlun is slow. Its just he barely had to use his speed, only when attacking.

Originally posted by SamZED

The moment im referring to is when they both ended up in some apartment. Spider-man was near the wndow and Morlun in another side of the room. Peter leaped to get Morlun away from people as fast as possible but he couldt even reach the window, Morlun already grabbed him, he's crazy fast when he's not playing or doing the "slow cool-looking" walk.

Wasent spiderman seriously injuried by that time though? I never had the impression Morlun was faster, but simply that unlike most brick like opponents, he possess extreme levels of speed.

Originally posted by zopzop

Hulk, Thor and IF have broken adamantium? OMG, when?

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Originally posted by Mindset
No, he really didn't.

Spiderman could not to anything to Morlun, he couldn't even run away.

He was able to fight him for an entire day. He was pretty much to spiderman what Omega red was to wolverine. They are able to beat them every time, but they are able to put a bit of a fight up. They do a lot better because they hold back again there opponents because of there superiority/ such as not utilizing there complete power set. There only villains because of there CIS. But that was part of there character.

However there is a clear difference between Morlun that went against Black Panther and the one who went against Panther. Even a hold back Morlun that went against Black Panther would make extremely short work of spiderman. Spiderman would be unable to put a fight up.

No, he didn't.

He was running for his life for a day and Morlun was just toying with him.

Originally posted by Mindset
No, he didn't.

He was running for his life for a day and Morlun was just toying with him.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I can't remember to be honest. I remember it seeming to imply it was because of his energy absorption and then that being confirmed in the handbook.

But when he fought spiderman he clearly was not depicted to be that powerful. He clearly recieved and amp like other villains before him.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I mean I understand from a story point, yes they can imply that now he was always that strong though, but when that issue was written he was not supose to be. Yes but no more then Gorgon, if he fought Spiderman now, Spiderman would stand no chance, he depicted much stronger and more durable now.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan

He not slow, but he is slower then Spiderman. Yes he was pretty much ignoring defense, however he was being dodge more often then not and he was going at spiderman. I don't believe this idea that he was faster or even as fast, he just was fast enough and had little fear of spidermans ability to damage him. Though Spiderman made him bleed and did some damage to him.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan

Wasent spiderman seriously injuried by that time though? I never had the impression Morlun was faster, but simply that unlike most brick like opponents, he possess extreme levels of speed.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
secondary is not nearly as durable as primary.

Ah, you were talking about Secondary Adamantium, I thought you said they broke true adamantium.

Ok, one last thing though, the net Morlun ripped apart is confirmed to be Secondary Adamantium?