Originally posted by leonidas
still, a guardian is a guardian, no? how many guardians even HAVE feats? each one is still considered to be a trans-level character as far as i know....
I'm inclined to agree with this; I personally view Ganthet as a low-level, perhaps at the very most, mid Skyfather. Guardians with no feats aside from showing up and shooting the occasional energy blast and what not, on status alone, I'd peg as trans-level beings.
Still, if I had to pick against a trans-level generic type character of which they're many with hardly no feats that scream out at me versus a very solid and powerful high herald with a history of feats, I'll pick the high herald. Essentially, Guardians are like GLs without the need to recharge and a higher base level of power to draw from.
Originally posted by leonidas
hm. what about ANY guardian? for the record, i agree with all the above, but we know doomsday killed a guardian and it didn't seem to really impress anyone all that much, hence my question.
Doomsday didn't kill the guardian, the guardian released his energies to stop DD from gaining access to the central battery. It was a crappy story anyway.
Originally posted by Starscream M
so jake, you're being inconsistent. you think thor can beat dd but not a guardian, which dd beat?
Where did I say that?
I think Thor can most certainly beat a single no-named Guardian. As could Superman or Silver Surfer or mostly any High Herald (barring Lanterns, obviously). Ganthet himself is something different.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I'm inclined to agree with this; I personally view Ganthet as a low-level, perhaps at the very most, mid Skyfather. Guardians with no feats aside from showing up and shooting the occasional energy blast and what not, on status alone, I'd peg as trans-level beings.Still, if I had to pick against a trans-level generic type character of which they're many with hardly no feats that scream out at me versus a very solid and powerful high herald with a history of feats, I'll pick the high herald. Essentially, Guardians are like GLs without the need to recharge and a higher base level of power to draw from.
i don't see thor beating any of the guardians because (ironically) of exactly what you said. any guardian>>gl. i think even the 'random' guardian is high trans. i know they are energy based, and thor is pretty dangerous against energy based opponents in a forum setting, but i still don't see thor beating one in a 1on1 situation. they do have some pretty powerful tp and tk as well as quite a host of other displayed powers. they're not JUST blast-'em-up guys.
Originally posted by tsscls
Doomsday didn't kill the guardian, the guardian released his energies to stop DD from gaining access to the central battery. It was a crappy story anyway.
fair enough. 👆
my point was the guardian was not powerful enough to stop dd--nor were dozens upon dozens (100s??) of lanterns....
Can Thor win? Of course, that's not debatable based on his history and feats. For the majority? I don't see it happening, not if it's a regular Thor.
I'd probably favor Thor over a random Guardian as well. Not only are those green dwarfs mind numbingly incompetent, even the named ones aren't exactly given the most respect or feats usually.
A no named Guardian is probably trans level but if being above high herald is the sole reason someone outperforms Thor, that conflicts with a decent amount of his feats. Besides with Thor's almost unmatched ability to counter energy and amazing energy soak, Thor beating one is hardly unsupported.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Can Thor win? Of course, that's not debatable based on his history and feats. For the majority? I don't see it happening, not if it's a regular Thor.I'd probably favor Thor over a random Guardian as well. Not only are those green dwarfs mind numbingly incompetent, even the named ones aren't exactly given the most respect or feats usually.
A no named Guardian is probably trans level but if being above high herald is the sole reason someone outperforms Thor, that conflicts with a decent amount of his feats. Besides with Thor's almost unmatched ability to counter energy and amazing energy soak, Thor beating one is hardly unsupported.
Pretty much.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Can Thor win? Of course, that's not debatable based on his history and feats. For the majority? I don't see it happening, not if it's a regular Thor.I'd probably favor Thor over a random Guardian as well. Not only are those green dwarfs mind numbingly incompetent, even the named ones aren't exactly given the most respect or feats usually.
A no named Guardian is probably trans level but if being above high herald is the sole reason someone outperforms Thor, that conflicts with a decent amount of his feats. Besides with Thor's almost unmatched ability to counter energy and amazing energy soak, Thor beating one is hardly unsupported.
i don't see him beating ganthet, 1on1 period. we'll disagree about a random guardian as well. not impossible, perhaps, but certainly not for a majority imo. i'd put any random guardian well above even the highest gl and a ways beyond ss.
I don't see Thor beating Ganthet either, if we start a feat war we will just allow fake matches like Hulk beating Odin on a physical contest and nonsense like that. Also, despite having amazing energy absorbing abilities, Thor has been beaten by energy blasts before, so I can see an energy user beating him if his level is high enough.
Originally posted by Bentley
I don't see Thor beating Ganthet either, if we start a feat war we will just allow fake matches like Hulk beating Odin on a physical contest and nonsense like that. Also, despite having amazing energy absorbing abilities, Thor has been beaten by energy blasts before, so I can see an energy user beating him if his level is high enough.
of course. i don't think anyone would say that just because a character is an energy user=thor can beat them. at least i'm pretty sure no one would say that..... his inability to score a clean win over ss would be a prime example. my point about a guardian is that they are much MORE than 'just' energy wielders. they wield the green energy without rings due to their willpower and mental powers which can be manifested in other ways.