Thor VS The Gorgon (In a Sword Fight)

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor's resistance to pain and ability to survive extreme injuries has always been incredible for someone without a legit healing factor but I don't think it's that much more powerful on Asgard.

Regular Asgardians are harder to kill on Asgard under at least some writers though as JMS' run showed but like with all things, it depends on the writer. During Gillen's run, Asgardian's could survive without their vital organs for a surprisingly long time even on Earth. A regular Asgardian had his heart removed and held on for as long as five minutes IIRC, he would have been fine if it had been placed back.

Loki had his head cut off without any harm done but I'm not sure Volstagg has. At one point I do recall him sustaining an injury that should have been fatal without being the worse for wear though. IIRC, it was a spear to the head/brain area I think.

I'm not sure why regular Asgardian would get a huge boost to their damage soak but not Thor. I mean, if Brunhilda had impaled him through the chest like that on earth, I would expect for the fight to be over, or at the very least for him to be significantly injured.

Thinking more on it, it's possible that Volstagg only survived because his severed head was given a piece of a golden apple, but he definitely had his head severed. Does that sound familiar to you?

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
bullets =/= light speed.

this reminds me of the episode of mythbusters where they try to dodge a snipers bullet. Even though they know that the bullet is coming. They cant move fast enough to dodge it. same principle here. sure it could work for bullets, but light speed projectiles are exponentially faster than bullets. Gorgon aint dodging that.

You're missing the point.

Batman is <<<< a bullets speed. Batman is >>>> the speed a gunman can aim.

Thor is >>>>>>>>>>>>> lightspeed. He can only throw an object that fast, or spin his hammer that fast, due to his vast strength.

But when it comes to movement speeds, reflex's, he's slower than high end street levelers, like Daredevil or Wolverine. This is why Superman speedblitzes him, because Thor simply doesn't have consistent (KEYWORD, consistent.) speed feats on par with Cassandra Cain, let alone Superman. Thus, all Gorgon has to do is move faster than Thor can aim, and he's more than fast enough to dance around him.

also, lets not forget that Thor is very skilled with the sword. Remember that before mjolnier, he fought using swords as do most of the Asgardians including Odin and Balder.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I'm not sure why regular Asgardian would get a huge boost to their damage soak but not Thor. I mean, if Brunhilda had impaled him through the chest like that on earth, I would expect for the fight to be over, or at the very least for him to be significantly injured.

Thinking more on it, it's possible that Volstagg only survived because his severed head was given a piece of a golden apple, but he definitely had his head severed. Does that sound familiar to you?

It's because Thor is both of Asgard and Earth in comparison to other Asgardians. I think whether or not Thor can survive a wound like that through the chest depends more on the writer and less on whether he's in Asgard or Earth. For the record, the scene you're referring to isn't really cannon to the current Thor.

Oh! Yea I know what scene you're referring to. It happened during Blood Oath. He was decapitated on Earth and was pretty much dead as far as I can tell.

Originally posted by cdtm
You're missing the point.

Batman is <<<< a bullets speed. Batman is >>>> the speed a gunman can aim.

Thor is >>>>>>>>>>>>> lightspeed. He can only throw an object that fast, or spin his hammer that fast, due to his vast strength.

But when it comes to movement speeds, reflex's, he's slower than high end street levelers, like Daredevil or Wolverine. Thus, all Gorgon has to do is keep move faster than Thor can aim, and he's more than fast enough to dance around him.

no he's not. Thor has on numerous occasions shown that he can move stupidly fast. for instance, B&T, adam warlock said that thor can move as fast as the lightning he commands and we know that lightning is probably half the speed of light. then we have the time he dug a ditch where he moved "faster than the eye can see". then we have the time the caught mercury/hermes who is light speed. then theres the volcano thingy and so on and so forth.

claiming that thor is slower than the high end street levelers is bull crap.

Thor's speed is very plot depended. He can be at a large disadvantage when it comes to speed against Gorgon or it could be something that's utterly irrelevant to Thor due to his own reflexes/ground and pound tactics etc. It really depends on the writer and his need. I blame it on Stan Lee, he never really defined Thor's speed back during the Silver Age, left it very vague and kind of edged away from it.

Thor on average has beyond human speed but Gorgon should have the advantage.

Originally posted by cdtm
You're missing the point.

Batman is <<<< a bullets speed. Batman is >>>> the speed a gunman can aim.

Thor is >>>>>>>>>>>>> lightspeed. He can only throw an object that fast, or spin his hammer that fast, due to his vast strength.

But when it comes to movement speeds, reflex's, he's slower than high end street levelers, like Daredevil or Wolverine. This is why Superman speedblitzes him, because Thor simply doesn't have consistent (KEYWORD, consistent.) speed feats on par with Cassandra Cain, let alone Superman. Thus, all Gorgon has to do is move faster than Thor can aim, and he's more than fast enough to dance around him.

If Thor is slower than Wolverine, he must be more skilled...seeing as he's hit, blocked and thrown Logan.

Is that your stance?

So, we all agree that Thor beats Gorgon's ass?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor's speed is very plot depended. He can be at a large disadvantage when it comes to speed against Gorgon or it could be something that's utterly irrelevant to Thor due to his own reflexes/ground and pound tactics etc. It really depends on the writer and his need. I blame it on Stan Lee, he never really defined Thor's speed back during the Silver Age, left it very vague and kind of edged away from it.

Thor on average has beyond human speed but Gorgon should have the advantage.

No, its not. Thor, in the early days has been consistently been said to have super speed. Why its not used often is mainly due to writer ignorance.

speaking of writers, I sure as damn hell hope TMT improves otherwise i might as well drop it all together.

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
No, its not. Thor, in the early days has been consistently been said to have super speed. Why its not used often is mainly due to writer ignorance.

speaking of writers, I sure as damn hell hope TMT improves otherwise i might as well drop it all together.

Yes it is. It's true that it's a result of ignorance more than anything but what's written is written. The fact that he can face anyone from Quicksilver to Surfer in combat without their speed being a problem is enough for me though.

I already have.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yes it is. It's true that it's a result of ignorance more than anything but what's written is written. The fact that he can face anyone from Quicksilver to Surfer in combat without their speed being a problem is enough for me though.

And people like Gladiator and Hyperion and Sentry as well.

Though it's funny how all of a sudden in a "forum" fight, speed gets blown completely out of proportion and the showings/feats Thor does have displaying superspeed or high end reaction time are ignored.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yes it is. It's true that it's a result of ignorance more than anything but what's written is written. The fact that he can face anyone from Quicksilver to Surfer in combat without their speed being a problem is enough for me though.

I already have.

meh...comics will be comics. i'm sticking with it just to see who this "New Thundergod" which means ima gonna have to keep up with fear itself which is a royal pain.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
And people like Gladiator and Hyperion and Sentry as well.

Though it's funny how all of a sudden in a "forum" fight, speed gets blown completely out of proportion and the showings/feats Thor does have displaying superspeed or high end reaction time are ignored.

Yea, it is stupid how much Thor's lack of speed is overplayed on forums.

Wolverine had the edge in one comic? I can point to a dozen instances where he's had no problem with faster characters.

It also ignores how comics operate. Wolverine has to be faster for there to be anything resembling a fight. Replace Thor with Superman and Logan would still be dancing around his opponent. Even Nightwing has done it to Clark. Granted, no writer will ever have Clark suggest inferiority currently.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Faster != untouchable

Demetrious Johnson is easily the fastest bantamweight, other fighters still manage punch him and manage to shoot in for take downs... but he is still faster then they are. Wolverine landed more hits on Thor then vice versa, and dodged more hits... what about that do you feel contradicted him being faster than Thor?

Anyway in Asgard Thor is essentially immortal and his damage soak is off the chart. He tanked being impaled through the lungs and possibly heart like it was nothing. He is much more powerful in this fight scenario then he is typically when fighting on Midgard, short of decapitation there is nothing Gorgan can do to win... and even then it is possible Thor could pick up and reattach his head, because I'm fairly certain Vostagg has done that.

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
no he's not. Thor has on numerous occasions shown that he can move stupidly fast. for instance, B&T, adam warlock said that thor can move as fast as the lightning he commands and we know that lightning is probably half the speed of light. then we have the time he dug a ditch where he moved "faster than the eye can see". then we have the time the caught mercury/hermes who is light speed. then theres the volcano thingy and so on and so forth.

claiming that thor is slower than the high end street levelers is bull crap.

Originally posted by Silent Master
If Thor is slower than Wolverine, he must be more skilled...seeing as he's hit, blocked and thrown Logan.

Is that your stance?

You gotta love this type of arguements, were you attempt to trap your opponents with absolutes.

Your arguement is foolishness. So now slower opponents can't block or hit there opponents? Have you ever seen a fight in your life?

Ok, If Wolverine's skill and speed are a 10...where do you rank Thor?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Ok, If Wolverine's skill and speed are a 10...where do you rank Thor?

Originally posted by leonidas
and what you fail to understand--again--is that thor KNOWS who he is fighting, and understands his basic powers which include speed and tp. HE IS NOT DUMB. so yeah, OF COURSE he'll do what he can to win HOWEVER he can. if he knows gorgon, he'll know a straight sword fight would probably not be the best idea though as you can see he is NOT slow and could likely react to gorgon. there are plenty of scans showing thor's speed, but his reaction times in particular.

it has nothing to do with favourites (though it's ironic you're telling me I'M going for my fave when clearly you have more of a vested interest in claiming gorgon wins than i do regarding thor....) it has to do with on-panel proof that thor will be able to react to gorgon and has options OTHER than the very clever "i'll stand here and let him cut my hands off!!!1!" 😂

now you are just putting thor out of his character, thor is a brawler and even when he knows he might lose like the hulk fights he still likes to brawl it out, now as cocky as thor is sometimes and as proud as he is he will find it very offensive to try and avoid a good fight with some meta, he will think some crap like " how dare this meta challenge me to a sword fight i willkick his ass" and this is thors biggest mistake

as i said before and i will say it again .. in a sword or specially hand 2 hand fight gorgon will dominate and humiliate thor, your statement that thor can react to gorgon is baseless and contredicts the facts themselves which were presented in the comics, facts are thor is not even in wolverines league when it comes to fighting speed while gorgon is way above, also gorgon got his mind reading working for him and even if thor knows about it there isnt much he can doabout it as long as its a H2H so again your points are invalid

If Wolverine = reaction speed 10, skill 10....Thor would = reaction speed ____, skill ____.