Nagato vs Itachi.

I wouldn't go as far as to say Itachi was afraid of him. He just really did not want to fight him. Given that he was a good guy and a pacifist all along, it makes sense why he wouldn't.

But Itachi vs Jiraiya is a whole other can of worms.

Originally posted by King Kandy
I think the other 5 would still win. And hey, deva path wasn't needed to take Jiraiya who Itachi is evidently afraid of.

True, but more of Itachi's abilities would leave bodies unrevivable. Jiraiya killed three, but didn't know about the revive thing. If those 3 had stayed dead, the other two non-Devas would've been quite beatable.

I doubt it. Jiraiya couldn't deal with three without the Genjutsu, and that Genjutsu could only work once. So I think another 2 would have been quite a problem for him. At the very least it would have been a mighty fight.

And anyway there's quite a difference between beating three, then two, versus beating five at once. The later is way harder especially since the bodies work as a seamless team to cover each other.

Itachi's Susano'o is what gives him an advantage Jiraiya lacks. No defense to really use against the Paths. Susano'o would give Itachi time to analyze the Paths powers quickly and efficiently.

Granted that still doesn't mean he could stop Deva. Or the combined efforts of the others maybe. But I do think he'd win the latter conflict.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Unless of course Nagato just stops feeding chakra into Deva Path. 😛

Though Itachi vs the other Five Paths would probably end in an Itachi victory.

Still a win-win scenario for Itachi if he lands Kotoamatsukami on Deva. He either gains the help of a S class Path, or he forces Nagato to stop using it, and is left to deal with 5 A-A+ paths, a fight he would have much higher chances in.

Plus there's always kunai attacks to the eyes of the Paths and summons. awesome

Originally posted by King Kandy
And how would he do that? It was programmed to activate when shown Itachi's MS. So it would not work on Nagato. And as said, Nagato could just pull the plug. + the bodies do not even minds of their own so i'm unclear how that would even work.

He programmed it to react to his MS, just before transferring it to Naruto. It stands to reason that if it was available, he would be able to use it against anyone he wanted to when he had it for himself, and Bee points this out. 😐

Yet Genjutsu still worked on the Paths. Mindless creatures like the bugs the Aburame clan use are apparently immune to genjutsu.

Originally posted by Q99
The combined defense of Preta and Deva does make single-Nagato really hard to hurt, and just by himself Itachi likely couldn't blow up the gravity orb. So I'd still go with Nagato there, though Itachi does have a shot at victory.

Yes, Deva is the real threat of the paths.

Through ninjutsu, yes. However, he has no counters against Itachi's higher level genjutsu. Even low level genjutsu would likely stop Nagato for a second or two, and Itachi can cast those without the need for eye contact.

There is a very simple solution to genjutsu. Don't look at it. Summon birdie and let it guide you from above while the Paths close their eyes. Wouldn't take Itachi long to figure out how to win but once he takes his eyes of the Paths, he'd be in real trouble.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
There is a very simple solution to genjutsu. Don't look at it. Summon birdie and let it guide you from above while the Paths close their eyes. Wouldn't take Itachi long to figure out how to win but once he takes his eyes of the Paths, he'd be in real trouble.

Visual genjutsu at least. There's sound-based genjutsu, and genjutsu that just takes affect if you're in the vicinity.

That said, I wish Itachi knew Hashirama's Bringer of Darkness genjutsu. Would have worked wonders against the Paths.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Visual genjutsu at least. There's sound-based genjutsu, and genjutsu that just takes affect if you're in the vicinity.

That said, I wish Itachi knew Hashirama's Bringer of Darkness genjutsu. Would have worked wonders against the Paths.

People forget about this^^

Itachi is fast, very fast, and a critical thinker... he could just point at any of them, use a low level genjutsu, and since all of there visions are linked that would for sure stop pain for some time... during that he could come up with some sort of plan to take out the deva path, possibly two of the paths since he is fast enough to do so.

Almost anyone else vs pain would lose, but pains weakness is one of, if not itachi's greatest strength.

I'd expect a visual genjutsu to affect just the one targeted. They may share images, but I don't think they'd pass on the genjutsu chakra.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Visual genjutsu at least. There's sound-based genjutsu, and genjutsu that just takes affect if you're in the vicinity.

That said, I wish Itachi knew Hashirama's Bringer of Darkness genjutsu. Would have worked wonders against the Paths.

All of the genjutsu Itachi has shown is visual, I believe.

Yeah, all of them are. Not that it matters cause visual genjutsu is pretty nasty. That said, even if Nagato were to get caught by it, he can break out by channeling his chakra differently through the Paths.

Originally posted by Q99
I'd expect a visual genjutsu to affect just the one targeted. They may share images, but I don't think they'd pass on the genjutsu chakra.

All of the genjutsu Itachi has shown is visual, I believe.

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v57/c540/14.html

Specifics aren't given, so you could argue that Itachi is using his crow to land a genjutsu, but I don't think that is it.

Then there's Itachi casting a genjutsu just by pointing.

nagato wins both scenarios eaisly. all he has to do is shinra tenei itachi into a mountain or absorb his susanoo shield and steal his soul

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v57/c540/14.html

Specifics aren't given, so you could argue that Itachi is using his crow to land a genjutsu, but I don't think that is it.

Then there's Itachi casting a genjutsu just by pointing.

But you can't make an argument like that because, as you said, specifics aren't given. He could be using crows or something else and the genjutsu would still be visual. Not enough to make a claim for him having a sound or AoE based genjutsu.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
But you can't make an argument like that because, as you said, specifics aren't given. He could be using crows or something else and the genjutsu would still be visual. Not enough to make a claim for him having a sound or AoE based genjutsu.

Only one crow is confirmed to cast genjutsu afaik. The same crow that has Shisui's Sharingan/MS. And the sensors would likely be able to detect one of Itachi's crows going around trapping people in a genjutsu, or one of his crow clones.

But fair enough, I did say no specifics. Still, we know that range isn't a problem for Itachi's genjutsus, and he himself does not need to use the Sharingan itself to land a genjutsu.

Then he could ver well be setting up talismans in locations capable of hypnotizing foes and it would still be visual.

Indeed. But we know two things: All his known genjutsu are sight based and tightly focused on one target, be they sharingan jutsu or not.

Ao's words do not imply that he would set up an area with talismans beforehand.

Key word being 'known'. He's seen Kurenai's genjutsu, so it would be a simple matter to replicate something like that. vin

Ao's words don't imply anything except Itachi is skilled. We know that. 😛

We can't argue with the unknown. 😮

Sidenote: Neph, how come the Nagato option isn't Nagato Uzumaki?

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Ao's words don't imply anything except Itachi is skilled. We know that. 😛

We can't argue with the unknown. 😮

Sidenote: Neph, how come the Nagato option isn't Nagato Uzumaki?

They imply he's better than anyone else when it comes to genjutsu. 😛

Oh come on. If he can cast a genjutsu when someone looks at his finger, he can likely cast an AoE genjutsu using just handseals, like those ninja at the Chuunin Exam fights.

Looks too much like Naruto Uzumaki. 😛

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
They imply he's better than anyone else when it comes to genjutsu. 😛

Oh come on. If he can cast a genjutsu when someone looks at his finger, he can likely cast an AoE genjutsu using just handseals, like those ninja at the Chuunin Exam fights.

Looks too much like Naruto Uzumaki. 😛

Obviously.

And if Minato can use leet jutsu like FTG and Rasengan, he probably has some other neat jutsu. But I don't know what they are and thus can't use them in a debate. 😛

Nagato does? Not really. 😕

He does have other neat jutsu, such as summoning jutsus, and a couple of S/T ones. vin

Take out the 'ru' in Naruto, put in 'ga', and we have ourselves a Nagato.