Originally posted by carver9
My shoulder is always open for you. I'm here for you bro. Let the tears loose.
I'm not the one who should be upset. Hulk has hit one of his highest points ever and very few people will take it seriously.
Whatever, this doesn't really matter to me and I'll admit it was fun seeing Hulk going all looney tunes.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What is wrong with you idiots? Stop pretending I have a problem with the Hulk having big feats and that it somehow takes away anything from the points I was making, which are very valid.The majority of people who enjoyed that arc are Gammfags who get off to feats and don't give a shit about anything else.
And Carver, if Pak was pulling that shit with Thor, I'd have a very real problem with it. A bigger problem than I have with Hulk being the victim. I'd definitely ride the bandwagon longer but I'd still be rallying for him to be taken off the title.
I personally didn't see anything wrong with it. It actually made sense. We always knew Hulk had the potential to increase his stats to insane levels but why didn't he do it...he was holding back all of this time. We have seen Hulk go from 0 to 150 billion tons in less than a second...so why not consistently show this type of power...because he was holding back from endangering friends and love ones. Everyone holds back but Hulk holding back is different since he basically doesn't have a cap on his power level.
He gains the opportunity to show us that when push comes to shove, I am a force that you don't want to f*** with...I have unlimited potential and Pak brought that to the table for us. He showed us that the myth was true.
Him being godly like he wad in the Dark Dimension wasn't a first so let's not pretend and it will not be the last either.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympusit's been a while since the peter david days, and the hulk book was floundering. pak revived it and tied up canon plots from those days.
What is wrong with you idiots? Stop pretending I have a problem with the Hulk having big feats and that it somehow takes away anything from the points I was making, which are very valid.The majority of people who enjoyed that arc are Gammfags who get off to feats and don't give a shit about anything else.
And Carver, if Pak was pulling that shit with Thor, I'd have a very real problem with it. A bigger problem than I have with Hulk being the victim. I'd definitely ride the bandwagon longer but I'd still be rallying for him to be taken off the title.
he also established that the hulk doesn't have to use his full power, and conveyed that he chose not to willingly till the situation was right, yes there was foolishness within all of that but hulk smashing is part of the trope. the main thing a lot of people fail to realize is that hulk has done 90% of all the things he did these last few years before, now he's just more nonchalant about it cause he's in control.
Originally posted by carver9
I personally didn't see anything wrong with it. It actually made sense. We always knew Hulk had the potential to increase his stats to insane levels but why didn't he do it...he was holding back all of this time. We have seen Hulk go from 0 to 150 billion tons in less than a second...so why not consistently show this type of power...because he was holding back from endangering friends and love ones. Everyone holds back hut holding holding back is different since he basically doesn't have a cap on his power level.He gains the opportunity to show us that when push comes to shove, I am a force that you don't want to f*** with...I have unlimited potential and Pak brought that to the table for us. He showed us that the myth was true.
Him being godly like he did in the Dark Dimension wasn't a first so let's not pretend and it will not be the last either.
If you really don't understand what's wrong with the idea that he introduced then I don't know how you can call yourself a Hulk fan. This is reinforced by the fact that you mentioned a horrible example that perfectly illustrated the direct correlation between Hulk's strength and anger. For such a big Hulk fan, you don't seem to actually know much about the character himself. Bruce Banner has always held the monster back but Green Scar as far as I can tell wasn't intended to be a play on the whole Mindless Hulk thing.
There was never any myth, Hulk having a theoretical unlimited peak and a strength that directly grows to his emotional state was never in doubt despite what some idiots say. Unfortunately, Pak pretty much did away with that and apparently Hulk can get stronger at will for no other reason than because. And the holding back bit was horrible, it took so much away from the entire World Breaker concept that was introduced in Planet Hulk and explored further in World War Hulk. There's a reason why it was such a great story, it focused on what makes Hulk great. The last arc however was just nonsensical wanking.
All you want however is feats and you can't seem to get past it. I realize that the concept that's at Hulk's core is the adolscent need to be stronger than everyone else but common. At the very least stop pretending that you liked it for any reason other than it being a wank fest. There's nothing wrong with enjoying stuff like this but you aren't 10 years old.
Ehhhhh, I've come off more condescending than I intended to. Whatever.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
it's been a while since the peter david days, and the hulk book was floundering. pak revived it and tied up canon plots from those days.he also established that the hulk doesn't have to use his full power, and conveyed that he chose not to willingly till the situation was right, yes there was foolishness within all of that but hulk smashing is part of the trope. the main thing a lot of people fail to realize is that hulk has done 90% of all the things he did these last few years before, now he's just more nonchalant about it cause he's in control.
I don't know, man. If he's in control of his strength amping, yet still loses fights, it makes him look like Thanos with his mental blocks..
The "mad = stronger" thing was a lot easier to digest.. And so well established, him being in control of his rage increases doesn't make much sense without serious retcons... (I'm reading the Maestro story, and in this alone he keeps referencing Rage = strength.. If he could just Hulk out whenever he wanted, him and Maestro should have been a lot more evenly matched..)
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
If you really don't understand what's wrong with the idea that he introduced then I don't know how you can call yourself a Hulk fan. This is reinforced by the fact that you mentioned a horrible example that perfectly illustrated the direct correlation between Hulk's strength and anger. For such a big Hulk fan, you don't seem to actually know much about the character himself. Bruce Banner has always held the monster back but Green Scar as far as I can tell wasn't intended to be a play on the whole Mindless Hulk thing.There was never any myth, Hulk having a theoretical unlimited peak and a strength that directly grows to his emotional state was never in doubt despite what some idiots say. Unfortunately, Pak pretty much did away with that and apparently Hulk can get stronger at will for no other reason than because. And the holding back bit was horrible, it took so much away from the entire World Breaker concept that was introduced in Planet Hulk and explored further in World War Hulk. There's a reason why it was such a great story, it focused on what makes Hulk great. The last arc however was just nonsensical wanking.
All you want however is feats and you can't seem to get past it. I realize that the concept that's at Hulk's core is the adolscent need to be stronger than everyone else but common. At the very least stop pretending that you liked it for any reason other than it being a wank fest. There's nothing wrong with enjoying stuff like this but you aren't 10 years old.
Ehhhhh, I've come off more condescending than I intended to. Whatever.
I agree with this to an extent but I agree with Psycho post a lil more.
whatever, this is the hulk right now and it's awesome biscuits
same clothes and everything.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
whatever, this is the hulk right now and it's awesome biscuitssame clothes and everything.
Best villian created.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
it's been a while since the peter david days, and the hulk book was floundering. pak revived it and tied up canon plots from those days.he also established that the hulk doesn't have to use his full power, and conveyed that he chose not to willingly till the situation was right, yes there was foolishness within all of that but hulk smashing is part of the trope. the main thing a lot of people fail to realize is that hulk has done 90% of all the things he did these last few years before, now he's just more nonchalant about it cause he's in control.
I never said that Pak didn't breathe new life into the Hulk or write some good stories. He did exactly that, but he gave up on telling good stories at some point.
I'm not sure what you're referring to (The Calm Rage factor if that's what you're talking about was introduced by Peter David in the one shot) unless it's the holding back bit in Heart of the Monster but that scene was horribly done. Everyone loves to see Hulk smash, but this was done tastelessly and didn't seem to help the story.
Hulk's done crazy feats over the years (The elites all have) but the problem isn't with the Hulk reaching a high point, it's how it was reached and some of the shit that was revealed in the process.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
whatever, this is the hulk right now and it's awesome biscuitssame clothes and everything.
**** the japanese voice overs and low budget soundtrack, in all honesty.
i'll take the uncut funi dub anyday.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusWorldbreaker Hulk was holding back. His rage was overcoming him but he wasn't reveling in it. He was trying to reign it in knowing that his righteous crusade against Earth's heroes was a sham.
If you really don't understand what's wrong with the idea that he introduced then I don't know how you can call yourself a Hulk fan. This is reinforced by the fact that you mentioned a horrible example that perfectly illustrated the direct correlation between Hulk's strength and anger. For such a big Hulk fan, you don't seem to actually know much about the character himself. Bruce Banner has always held the monster back but Green Scar as far as I can tell wasn't intended to be a play on the whole Mindless Hulk thing.There was never any myth, Hulk having a theoretical unlimited peak and a strength that directly grows to his emotional state was never in doubt despite what some idiots say. Unfortunately, Pak pretty much did away with that and apparently Hulk can get stronger at will for no other reason than because. And the holding back bit was horrible, it took so much away from the entire World Breaker concept that was introduced in Planet Hulk and explored further in World War Hulk. There's a reason why it was such a great story, it focused on what makes Hulk great. The last arc however was just nonsensical wanking.
All you want however is feats and you can't seem to get past it. I realize that the concept that's at Hulk's core is the adolscent need to be stronger than everyone else but common. At the very least stop pretending that you liked it for any reason other than it being a wank fest. There's nothing wrong with enjoying stuff like this but you aren't 10 years old.
Ehhhhh, I've come off more condescending than I intended to. Whatever.
Every dog has its day. Hulk's always been underrated. Some of that is starting to peel away. Some people, more than others, could stand for it to peel away even further. /shrug
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
There was never any myth, Hulk having a theoretical unlimited peak and a strength that directly grows to his emotional state was never in doubt despite what some idiots say. Unfortunately, Pak pretty much did away with that and apparently Hulk can get stronger at will for no other reason than because. And the holding back bit was horrible, it took so much away from the entire World Breaker concept that was introduced in Planet Hulk and explored further in World War Hulk. There's a reason why it was such a great story, it focused on what makes Hulk great. The last arc however was just nonsensical wanking.
If anything, the comics were at-sea until Pak returned to the broader narrative and brought it back into continuity. Hulk/Banner being the one entity, Hulk being restrained by the Banner aspect, this is what Beyonder said aeons ago.
Banner doesn't function to just reduce/restrain Hulk's rage/emotional upheavals, he exists to restrain the power Hulk outputs (intentionally or otherwise). When Banner get's angry, his effectiveness in restraining that power is retarded, thus Hulk can go WBH. That's the basic mechanism. Banner's function is to restrain, not to catalyse by getting angry.
So, given that he is now at peace with The Hulk, it's only rational that he should be less anxious about easing off on the breaks, which naturally means that Hulk cuts loose a little more (obviously not too much or else goodbye Earth).
Originally posted by janus77😎
Seems you forgot The Hulk just prior to and during M-Day, when he was on his long road to being at peace with and accepting The Hulk aspect. When the Aborigines taught him to control the anger, when he had already learnt to switch in and out of "Hulk mode".If anything, the comics were at-sea until Pak returned to the broader narrative and brought it back into continuity. Hulk/Banner being the one entity, Hulk being restrained by the Banner aspect, this is what Beyonder said aeons ago.
Banner doesn't function to just reduce/restrain Hulk's rage/emotional upheavals, he exists to restrain the power Hulk outputs (intentionally or otherwise). When Banner get's angry, his effectiveness in restraining that power is retarded, thus Hulk can go WBH. That's the basic mechanism. Banner's function is to restrain, not to catalyse by getting angry.
So, given that he is now at peace with The Hulk, it's only rational that he should be less anxious about easing off on the breaks, which naturally means that Hulk cuts loose a little more (obviously not too much or else goodbye Earth).